Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Idaho Spud on November 11, 2015 at 1:04pm

Daniel, when do you retire?  Just about a month isn't it? 

If I get the chance, I'll plant some tasty brambles like you have in the part of my yard that gets the least sun.  Sounds like they grow so tall, they will find the sun.  This year, I purchased a thorny blackberry because I understand they taste better.  It took a while to grow much, but it's doing well now, and I should be able to see how it tastes next year. 

I often also would like to see people plant things to eat and ornamentals instead of leaving the ground weedy or bare, or covered with grass.  From what I here, there are more fruit trees in this town that many other towns, but still not many.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 11, 2015 at 11:30am

Daniel, I like your ideas and I think that is what we will do for Michelle's garden. She has chickens and raises only enough to feed her family of five growing children. She said it takes 18 eggs to fix an egg-based breakfast. Granted, some of the eggs are small.

Randy, I think I may have gotten the idea of a sidewalk forest from your table of produce, I vaguely remember you telling us about it before. Anyway, I will give you credit for the idea in our family conferences. I live on a country road and up a gravel drive about the length of a football field. Country roads offer opportunities for interesting stories, especially when the bottom of the road drops into mud during spring thaw. I remember those events from my childhood when all the roads were dirt and oil. Riding in a car those days was thrilling because the potholes made my stomach tingle. 

Kathy, I had not thought of electric fencing, although it is what L&L did to keep their horses at home. I especially like the idea of a solar powered fencing. We could put up the poles to the heights necessary to keep deer and rabbits out. I suppose that would keep the skunks and raccoons out as well. The old horse barn and pasture is now the new chicken coop. They just put in a chicken wire fence around a small part of the pasture on the old poles used to keep in the horses. I want to put the chickens in my raised beds and a chicken electric wire fence around the perimeter might be a solution. 

L&L (Laura and Larry) and I will discuss these ideas and see what will work for us. I get many good ideas from this group and forget from whom I got them. I will just be sure to let the family know of your ideas at our family meetings. 

Comment by k.h. ky on November 11, 2015 at 10:39am
Joan the only protection l know against deer is an electric fence. Solar powered is available. It only takes a couple of strands to keep them out. This usually means doing the entire area.

Occasionally one will break through if they are panicked and running but that's rare. Ours world great for keeping the dogs in and other large animal's out.
Comment by Randall Smith on November 11, 2015 at 7:13am

Love your Ginko story, Daniel.

And I love your fruit sharing idea, Joan. Since my garden and fruit trees are off the main road (a county road), I set up a table out front for passerbys to help themselves. Few do, however. Too much in a hurry, I reckon.

Comment by Daniel W on November 10, 2015 at 7:28pm
Joan, I fence each of my raised beds separately. If something short is growing, I use pvc pipe bent into hoops, slid onto rebar. I cover that with chicken wire. It's like a chicken wire conestoga. For taller crops, I make chicken wire fences 6 foot tall for each raised bed. That keeps out deer and rabbits.

Deer wont jump into a small space. They might jump into bigger spaces, but I dont know how big.

Each if my fruit trees has fencing about 5 foot tall. they dont browse above that height.
Comment by Joan Denoo on November 10, 2015 at 12:40pm

If I returned to the city I would design my garden to have fruit trees and berries all along the sidewalk so that people could pick and eat as they walked by. I would put a little bench and table so those who wanted to stop and rest, they would have a comfortable and lovely place to pause. 

However, I live deep in a small patch of dense forest and am designing the property taking in consideration the limited amounts of water from a well, sandy soil, wild animals wandering through on occasion, and plants that need protection from the nibbling deer and rabbits. 

Travis collected some cut logs that will make good fence post to put around the raised beds.

I need some advice from those of you experienced eith deer and rabbit inruders.

How high do I need to build the fence?

What kind of screening works best to keep deer out?

We want a light material that we can take down to mow the grass between the raised beds.

Does anyone have advice about materials that fit my criteria?

What screening material does not work? 

Comment by Daniel W on November 10, 2015 at 9:39am

Tree from seeds my Dad gave me, from the tree that Mr. Deege grew and taught me about evolution.
Comment by Daniel W on November 10, 2015 at 8:33am

Joan, isn't that amazing?

Ginkgos are partly responsible for me being atheist.  When I was about 10 years old, my parents hired me out to a German WWI veteran, who paid me to do chores.  He had a ginkgo tree in his yard that he grew from seeds.  He told me they are remnants from the dinosaurs, millions of years ago.  That planted a seed in my mind about evolution.

Decades later, the tree was still there and my Dad collected seeds for me to grow.  Those are the 2 trees in Vancouver and one tree in Battleground.   Mr. Deege's tree has since been cut down, so my trees are a way to carry its DNA forward another generation.

I also have seedlings from Vancouver ginkgo trees.  Late winter I intend to use a couple of them for rootstocks, and graft scion from my Dad's Vancouver trees onto them.  That way I have them in Battleground.  The largest is around 35 feet tall, so it will have to stay where it is.  18 years old.

The Katsura is lovely.  Can you take a start from it to  your new home?

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 10, 2015 at 3:55am

Ancient Ginkgo drops leaves like rain, Ōshika, Japan

I have a Katsura, (Cercidiphyllum japonicum) a tree native to Japan and China. Some years it drops all its leaves in one 24 hour period, as the Ginkgo does, leaving a lovely yellow carpet. 

Cercidiphyllum japonicum

Comment by k.h. ky on November 8, 2015 at 1:29pm
Daniel, that's exactly the kind of garden l would do. They can't have large trees because of all the overhead lines so fruit trees would be ideal. Maybe a couple of small ornamentals. Japenese maple or weeping pussy willow. Some berries, a vegetable patch!

I just described the yard l left in town over twenty years ago. I drive by sometimes and it's still there. The only thing missing is the phlox that covered a low rotting tree trunk.

I've wondered many times if the mower that ran over it was destroyed! Lol

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