Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

The Broadfork Chicken MIRACLE

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Oct 8. 4 Replies

What Killed My Chicken - How To Know

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 28. 2 Replies

Polluting Yourself with Leaf Blowers

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 22. 6 Replies

Willow tree

Started by Thomas Murray. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 15. 12 Replies

Front yard gardening. Edible Estates.

Started by Daniel Wachenheim. Last reply by k.h. ky Sep 15. 14 Replies

Archer Strawberry

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 15. 2 Replies

Deer Fence Installed! But Where's the Mulch?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Sep 6. 1 Reply

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on July 10, 2016 at 8:41am

I don't think I've seen Cymbalaria here Chris.  It's an attractive plant, but from what you say, I won't bring any home if I see any.

I like your other pictures also, especially your kitty in front of 2 of my favorite plants, fern & poppies.

Comment by Plinius on July 10, 2016 at 7:49am

This morning's pictures

Cymbalaria muralis - it grows on old brickwork and embankments, but when I took a piece home it invaded everything!

lavender, mint and lespedeza burgerilaurel, fern, poppies, lemon balm and Luna

Comment by k.h. ky on July 9, 2016 at 3:13pm
Chris, beautiful hollyhocks. I had some lovely black ones for several years until one of my rottweilers dug them out. Sorry the other stuff drowned. We're having the same problem with rain.
Joan thanks for the links. I learn a lot from this site. There's a wild raspberry bush in my front yard. The girls eat all the berries as they ripen. I may put a tame one in the same area and see what happens.
I thought about putting moonflower vines on the hugely bed but since it only blooms at night it wouldn't be a big plus for bee and butterflies.

Daniel I forget that we all have different planting zones and hadn't thought to google it.
Comment by Joan Denoo on July 9, 2016 at 2:54pm

Thanks Daniel for your information on tayberries.  

I Googled: Plants for Pollinators in the Inland Northwest

and Plants for Pollinators in Spokane, WA 

Plants for Pollinators in Spokane, WA

Comment by Plinius on July 9, 2016 at 2:01pm

When I read your answers I notice how much my thinking is influenced by living in a three room apartment and a small roof garden - for me a wooded bank is big and for you it is far too small. Very funny!

Thanks for the pruning links, Joan, they're very instructive!

I'm not much of a cook, Daniel, but some mint leaves make a pleasant surprise in a salad, together with nasturtium flowers and whatever else you happen to find. The best about the mint is the smell, it drowns out even the stench of the cars twelve meters down in the street. Perhaps it's not even wise to eat what I grow here, but I don't want to worry about it.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 9, 2016 at 12:51pm

Chris, your photo of your garden is lovely. I like the color of your hollyhock. The berry plant sent me on a hunt, and I learned something I did not know. Surely I learned it in my horticulture courses a hundred years ago or so at Washington State University where my major was horticulture. However, it is new to me now.   

"Brambles respond significantly to pruning and cane management, but these practices can be the most expensive and time-consuming part of an operation. There is no one procedure for all bramble types. Each type requires its approach to pruning and cane management."

Cane management in raspberries blackberries

~ Pruning Raspberries and Blackberries, Cornell University

Both cane management articles include both primocane and floricane 

These excellent articles on cane management come at a right time for me. My neighbor and I agreed to take out all the ivy. He rebuilt my wooden fence that fell, and I plan to replant raspberries all along the property line. He hated the ivy, agrees with the raspberries. 

You inspire me to get out into my garden and stop being a slug. 

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on July 9, 2016 at 12:51pm

Joan, Tayberries are a cross between blackberry and raspberry.

Kathy, I don't know a vine for your purpose.  Not kudzu!  :-)

I looked up bee plants on a variety of websites before planting here.  I also went to local nurseries and hung out watching which plants were the bees foraging there. wikipedia has a good list, along with whether plants are minor or major sources.  I forgot about sumac, which I also planted along my property edge.

It's not a vine, but clovers can do really well. 

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on July 9, 2016 at 12:43pm

Chris, the local deer have the ability to jump over 6 foot tall fences.  I would have to spend more than $5,000 to fence my area to keep them off the property.  So I make do with fencing individual trees and beds.  Rabbits, on the other hand, can get through the smallest spaces, and voles even smaller.

I try not to view them as enemies, more as annoying irritating relatives who, when they visit, you have to lock up the silverware and keep your favorite cookied hidden in a tin under the bed.

But, answering your question, I am building wooded banks along one edge, which slopes into somewhat of a ravine.  We had rotted tree trunks in our yard, which I rolled there to decay and build up the forest, and I planted a row of Cyprus trees. Also some aspens, to hold the soil in place.

Chris, do you use your mint in cooking?  So far, all I've figured out for mint is to make a tisane.

Joan, I learn constantly from you.  Thank you.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 9, 2016 at 12:07pm

I learned something new today, thanks to Chris and Daniel 

Comment by Plinius on July 9, 2016 at 11:51am

Thanks for the kind comments! Floricane could well be the answer, Daniel, the one branch in flower is probably from last year. So I'll let it grow - the neighbour isn't screaming yet.

Now that the teaching season is over I've started to make bokashi again, it's great compost for containers. I use it even for houseplants and they grow like mad. Then there's a lot to do in the garden as many seedlings drowned in the excessive rain, but the mint was very happy and grew into a big bush.

Do you build wooded banks for your backyard sanctuary, Daniel? They might keep some animals out.


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