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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Hope in the Middle of Big Ag

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Aug 3. 1 Reply

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Comment by Joan Denoo on June 24, 2017 at 8:13pm

Spud, I feel the same way about chiropractors as you. Laura and Larry both went to one for help and both were able to find relief. Larry has a badly crippled leg due to polio when he was two years old. He has had a lifetime of misery caused by the different leg lengths that resulted from his shriveled leg. 

I wish people who oppose vaccinations would talk to polio survivors.That was a greatly feared disease when I was young

1953 Salk announces polio vaccine

Laura's work requires she sit at the computer all day and she works very long hours. She has neck and back pain and finds relief from massage and chiropractic. She has never gone to a neurologist.

I went to a neurologist, we went through a battery of tests, they trained me how to do exercises to develop my "core" and to relax. Recent years, although doing the exercises and relaxation techniques I have debilitating back pain.

I took several hard falls, in one I broke my shoulder and some ribs. During that time my balance was so unstable, I used my cane constantly. 

The M.D. offered to cut the nerve as the next procedure. I opted to give chiropractic a try before going that route. 

I will let you know how this progresses. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 24, 2017 at 7:54pm

According to horticulture sources hollyhocks are biennials. 

"Biennial plants are an intermediary form between annuals and perennials. Biennials spend the first year of their lives building rootstocks and storing energy. Usually biennials grow in a flat circular rosette held near the ground for the first year."

https://www.hunker.com › ... › Plants, Flowers & Herbs › Growing Flowers
My grandmothers scattered mature seeds in their alleyways in Tekoa, WA. It "prettied up" a rather unsightly back yard. 
When I was in Turkey, I tried to gather seeds from immature seed pods. A man ran up to me, slapped my hands and forced the seeds out of my hands. He turned and ran from me and I tried to imagine what protocol I had violated when he suddenly returned carrying a whole plastic bag of ripe hollyhock seeds. He proceded to instruct, in Turkish, how to plant them, water them, and care for them. He did all this using sign language. He clearly was happy to share seeds with me. 
I still have Turkish seed descendants growing in my Spokane home. I plan to get ripe seeds this fall and scatter them at my new home. 
 
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 24, 2017 at 7:15pm

I don't know how you did so much since retiring, Daniel, and without so much as a moan. I know what you mean about backs and knees! We have glorious memories of working daylight until dusk with nary a complaint. Those days passed me long ago. I am grateful for the couple of hours I spend outside in the morning; I am also appreciative of the nap through the hot part of the day. 

You designed your garden so that you can get one of those wonderful chairs with a footrest, table, and a safe place to put a cool drink. You earned a summer of sitting and watching things grow and observing the critters that go unseen while working so hard. 

Persimmons have the perfect color of yellow for a garden. Looking at it feels like looking at a popsicle. 

Comment by Daniel W on June 24, 2017 at 6:31pm

100F in the shade today.  Humidity 15%.  Lots of watering needed.   Later go out and water some more.

Priority goes to the most vulnerable - newer trees, seedlings, containers.  Then fruit trees and berries.  Im glad the grass will turn brown, no mowing needed then.

I think some blackberries from plants I started last year, are starting to change color.  Might get a taste soon!  They are fairly small, might be diploid compared to bigger modern tetraploid types.  Or might just be that the plants are still becoming estsblished.

Comment by Daniel W on June 24, 2017 at 4:12pm

Thomas, we tried bales but didnt do s great job if it maybe.   They needed a lot of watering because they dried out very quickly in our dry summer climate.  Maybe needed better fertilizer than we gave, too.  We got no tomatoex, beans, or cabbage from that method.

Comment by Thomas Murray on June 24, 2017 at 1:22pm

Has anyone use bale of hays method for vegetable gardening?

I have been reading this book, "Straw Bale Gardens" by Joel Karsten. The benefits of this method is 1) no weeding to do 2) promotes healthy bacteria growth, 3) minimal watering required,4) the vegetables are above ground like a raised bed, 5) excellent for growing tubers and other root vegetables, the bales are composting (warmth) giving the vegetables an early start 6) while your vegetables are thriving above plant spices on the sides of the bales 7) when all said and done, you have compost ready for next year.

I think this is an excellent idea for people who have physical limitations to work the ground.

Comment by Randall Smith on June 23, 2017 at 6:47am

Spud, the pecan trees are bare-rooted, the others have clumps of healthy looking roots. I got two planted yesterday, trying to follow the directions.

Comment by Daniel W on June 22, 2017 at 2:19pm

Randy, they keep bare roit trees in refrigerated warehouse to keep thrm dornsnt.  I hope. 

Sounds like a great collection of nut trees!

Kathy, your yard sounds beautiful.

BB I envy you that you can grow hollyhocks.  Mine succumb to disease and deer.  No malva species does well for me.  But I have lots of other things to grow.

Knee still hurts so I am doing nothing much.  Kind of frustrated but not as bad as 2 days ago.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 22, 2017 at 11:06am

Randy, how many roots do they have?

Comment by Randall Smith on June 22, 2017 at 9:33am

My 13 nut trees arrived yesterday. They look like long sticks. I ordered 3-4' tall ones, but these are 5-6'! As Daniel suggested, I stuck them in water to give them a good soaking. There's no green on them, but I do see buds. Coming from Georgia, I'm surprised they aren't leafed out. Wonder why not?

In case you're curious, I got 4 Northern James pecan trees, 3 English walnuts, 3 "Pee Wee Hican Pecan" (pecan/hickory) trees, 2 Heartnut walnut, and 1 Flibert tree. All for $78.11 including shipping.  Two or three trees will be planted in my yard, and the rest will go to the farm As far as I know, they don't need cross pollination. Hope I live long enough to get some nuts from them!

 

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