Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

Discussion Forum

How to Store Nuts

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Feb 23. 3 Replies

Himalayan rhododendrons blooming 3 months early

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jan 22. 4 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on November 19, 2016 at 7:42pm

Daniel, thanks for the Dave Mallett melody. I thought it was an ancient Irish tune. Mallett wrote it and it turns up in many folk singers songs. I hear the echo of John Denver's voice in his songs. 

Your description of planting trees from Conservation sources fits my experience, jump on a shovel forcing it into the ground, push the shovel handle away from you and insert the tree root, stomp on the mound and move to the next place for a thrust of the shovel. We did whole hillsides that way. 

I suspect you spell check intervened in your "conversation". I have to check mine all the time or a crazy word sits inside a sentence in which it makes no sense. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 19, 2016 at 12:58pm

I like the garden song, except where he asks someone to bless these seeds and prays.

I have a DVD where John Denver sings the song while the garden plants are  animated.  It's on the Muppet Show.

Comment by Daniel W on November 19, 2016 at 10:45am

Spud,here is a blog with more information about the method and the author of the books.  I used to think I knew how to plant trees.  I  the past 5 years or so, that changed completely.  Fortunately, I did remove circling roots from the shade trees I planted 4 years ago, but not as thorough as now.

On my family''s farm in MIssouri, we got bundles of pine trees from the state dept of conversation to plant in the heavily eroded farm land.  They instructed us to just cut into the soil with a shovel, stick the tree roots into the hole, then stomp on the soil to firm it.  Despite being a drastic rough method, about half survived and grew over the years into a pine forest.  Those trees were bare root  about 18 inches tall, so not what we're talking about here.

Joan, I love that Louis Armstrong piece!  I'll add this one

Randy, you probably thought of this, but can you put in some raised beds and bring in more acidic soil for the blueberries? I have them, my soil is very acidic, but if Im not diligent about protection the deer eat the bushes.

Spud, our coldest winter ever got down to about 9, which killed off my Eucalyptus and some cacti. The bamboos survived. We have timber bamboo, and a more colorful pole bamboo Phylostachys aureosulcata. Chickes like exploring in the thicket.  We use it a lot for poles. I want to do other projects but I don't know what.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 19, 2016 at 7:56am

Getting my garden "winterized" by spreading compost, pine needles, and leaves all over. Since the soil is highly alkaline, needles add acid. Little wonder I can't seem to grow blueberry bushes. I don't really have an erosion problem, but the leaf covering does protect the soil. Earthworms like it, too.

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 18, 2016 at 12:19pm

Daniel, reading your Growing Greener blog encouraged me to try that method of planting trees, the next time.

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 18, 2016 at 11:40am

When I had a little more land (one-ninth of an acre), I planted some bamboo that was supposed to be tolerant to -30° F, which was the low temperatures some years.  

I was going to use it for garden stakes, building material, and food, but it never grew.

If I get a place with a little more land again, I'll try it again.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 18, 2016 at 2:30am
Comment by Daniel W on November 18, 2016 at 12:22am

Joan, I feel that way too.  The elms and chestnuts are past, so I wonder what kinds of big trees we can grow for a changing world?  Maybe we will wind up with forests of eucalyptus in warmed areas, and ginkgos or metasequoias in temperate zones.  Each yard can be an experiment for the future.  Down the road, a family grows hardy bananas.  They dont fruit, but how odd looking here.  maybe we'll see bamboo forests.  It grows well here too, and windmill palms.  The world is full of species to try and play with.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 17, 2016 at 11:42pm

Dawn Redwood, Metasequoia glipistroboides is a beautiful tree. It should do well in your climate. The tree trunks develop interesting patterns if not limbed up while they are young. At least that is my understanding. Thought extinct, the Dawn Redwood has a long history that stretches back into the Age of Dinosaurs. The last Ice Age wiped out all known groves. A small grove was found in China during WW II and then after the war, seeds were distributed worldwide  There is an extraordinary specimen in front of Yale Peabody Museum of Natural History

The favorite picture I have of that ancient species is 

It will be a good companion with your ginkgo biloba tree that was also thought extinct. Ginkgo is found in fossils dating back 270 million years. 

You will have an ancient grove of splendid trees. What a great legacy you leave. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 17, 2016 at 8:06pm

Spud, with 3 inches of concrete, you have a great start at a heat sink for your plants!  Or a passive solar collector for a greenhouse!  My figs are against a south wall, but it's wooden so not much heat retention.

Sometimes I channel my emotions by planting a tree.  I've been struggling with my elderly doggies' struggles, but they remain comfortable and happy - looking.  I decided to plant a tree as their memorial, as well as because I love planting trees, it makes me feel better.

This was the choice, which I mentioned before.  Dawn Redwood, Metasequoia glipistroboides.  By coincidence, Portland Nursery got in a shipment of conifers last week.  I used the method detailed by Linda Chalker-Scott, washed off all of the existing soil, pruned off potentially girdling roots - minimal but not zero.  If it grows, which I think it should, it could become a very beautiful tree.  They grow fast, 3 feet a year once established.

It's hard to see, but the tree is about 8 feet tall, to near the top of the pic.  Ning is 5'10.

I still find it incredible that a tree can have so few roots and survive, let alone thrive.  But this is how most of them start out from the nursery, and so far I've only lost one, a madrone.  Which are notorious for being killed by transplanting.

Some trees can be grown from root cuttings.  I don't know about Dawn Redwoods.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.  I planted the prunings in a garden bed, next to gingko seeds planted last week.


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