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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  

 

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits

Folklore.

Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.
Squirrels.

Synergies.

Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

What Killed My Chicken - How To Know

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim 12 hours ago. 2 Replies

Polluting Yourself with Leaf Blowers

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 22. 6 Replies

Willow tree

Started by Thomas Murray. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 15. 12 Replies

Front yard gardening. Edible Estates.

Started by Daniel Wachenheim. Last reply by k.h. ky Sep 15. 14 Replies

Archer Strawberry

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 15. 2 Replies

Deer Fence Installed! But Where's the Mulch?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Sep 6. 1 Reply

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

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Comment by Don on June 17, 2016 at 1:20pm

I understand, Larry.  Deer can certainly be a scourge in some places.  I expected that sort of trouble when I first put the garden in in the summer of 1979.  I bought cedar posts and fencing, my father came to visit with his posthole digger, and we built a good fence.  But I got to hate trying to mow around it--and it became pretty clear eventually that I didn't need the defense, so after a couple of years i took it down.  

Comment by Larry Martin on June 17, 2016 at 1:10pm

Love your garden, Don.  Mine needs a fence.  I'm on 6 acres against a church camp, with 10 acre neighbor lots, all wooded, in central NC.  The deer kill an unfenced garden but don't bother jumping over a 4 foot fence.

My bigger problem right now is japanese beetles.  They really hurt the grape and apple leaves.  I have to select for plants that can make it through the bad season.  I may try BT this year.

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on June 17, 2016 at 11:56am

Don, that sounds great.  My neighborhood is plots of 1 to 10 acres.  The deer are tame enough that I have thrown sticks at a dear that was munching on my fig tree, and it wouldn't move.  I finally got about 10 feet away and it ran off.   We have lots of rabbits too.  They might be affectged by a growing family of feral cats.  The cats might also help with voles.  I put up a nesting box for barn owls, which I often hear calling in the distance, but none have settled into the nesting box, yet.

Comment by Don on June 17, 2016 at 11:54am

I think it's more that there is a great deal of hospitable territory--woods and fields--where the deer can find plenty to eat and won't feel too nervous.  Most of my friends with gardens in town and in more populous areas don't fence their gardens either.  It's not at all like eastern Long Island, or parts of Connecticut, and so on, where wild land exists only in pockets and where the deer can't help but encroach on people's yards..  

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 17, 2016 at 10:51am

That's interesting Don.  It sounds like if a person is far enough away from other people, they won't have as much trouble with wild animals eating their garden.

Comment by Don on June 17, 2016 at 10:29am

Yes, there are many deer hereabouts--also moose, bear, coyotes, and so on.  The nearest house is 1/4 of a mile from us to the south and no one at all for more than a mile in the other four directions--just a 600-acre tree farm and lots of open field and hardwoods.  The deer seldom bother the garden during the growing season.  Even when they happen to venture into it, they stay only long enough to eat the tops of a Brussels sprout or two.  They're skittish, and they don't like to be too close to a house.  Besides, there is plenty for them to eat out in the surrounding wild, where they feel safe.  Late in the fall--November, generally-they may visit at night for any carrots i may have missed, but that's all.  Last week, however, a woodchuck did find the garden.  That seldom happens, but when it does the chuck will keep coming back till he's eaten everything.  I waited and watched for him and then shot him, a hard deed I've resorted to only half a dozen times in the 40 years I've been gardening here.

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on June 17, 2016 at 10:14am

Don, do you have deer?  If my garden was in the open like yours, I would have no tomatoes, beans, plums, cherries, grapes and a lot of others.

Comment by Don on June 17, 2016 at 8:56am

Yesterday's garden.  It's coming along.

Comment by Don on June 17, 2016 at 8:52am

Our cherry tree (below) in northern Vermont isn't bothered at all by birds.  The rose chafers do some damage to the leaves, but I pick them off as much as I can, and the fruit seem unaffected.  Cedar waxwings, flickers, and others, even now, are feasting on the wild strawberries, but they do not go after the pie cherries.  Maybe it's the variety?  The birds leave our blueberries alone, too.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 17, 2016 at 8:24am

Thanks Randall. 

Talking about cherries,I finally removed all my cherry trees for several reasons.  I found a way to stop the birds from eating 100%, but it became too much work. Then, once the fruit flies found them, nothing I did would stop them, although I never tried spraying poison.

The trees also started dying.  Something in my soil here is not good for a number of plants.

Before the pie cherry tree died, I seem to remember it was not attractive to fruit flies or birds.  If I ever get some land, I'll try a pie cherry again.  Maybe even sweet cherries.  I've had the thought that laying down garden fabric under those trees would interrupt the fruit fly life cycle.  It probably would not allow them to get into the ground, or come back out of the ground.

 

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