Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Feeling like a fish back in water.

Started by amer chohan. Last reply by Plinius 5 hours ago. 2 Replies

The Hen in Winter

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by k.h. ky Aug 18. 11 Replies

Soil: regenerative land management

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 10. 11 Replies

Compact Bed Geometry

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 29. 0 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 21. 3 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius Jul 18. 1 Reply

To cure your garlic

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Jul 16. 1 Reply

Harvesting vegetables

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jul 9. 4 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on May 11, 2015 at 12:28pm

What a joy to wake up and read this string! It is the best medicine I know. 

The vegetable garden here at Laura's hasn't grown anything in several years, and a thicket of weeds reside there now. My granddaughter plans to use it this year. I advised her to cover the ground with a tarp to keep sunlight, water, and air from it. The weeds will be easier to pull up, especially if she uses the deep water tool that I loaned her. I think she will decide to plow the ground, turning the weeds into the soil. If there were no weed seeds dug into the ground. I agree the weeds themselves are mulch. So I will observe and see how plowing works. 

The soil here is sand left over from the glacial floods after the Ice Age. The property sits on a hillock and looks to me like a sand deposit left by both terminal moraine and debris of a departing glacier. Lower in the valley, the soils consist of rock as from a rushing stream. I haven't seen a geology map of this area yet, and then I can know for sure. 

At Laura's home, situated higher on the hill and deeper into the forest than Michelle's home, is pure sand. My strategy is to mulch heavily on the terraces and expand the mulching as time and energy allow. There are no deciduous trees on the property, only coniferous. Loggers took out the old growth years ago leaving behind huge stumps. The new growth contains a mixture of several kinds of conifers. Laura and her crew of hearty workers have been thinning out the weaklings trying to push up through the dense forest. Many of the mature trees show evidence of bending to reach the light. They make an interesting feature of the woods. 

The forest and shrubs have to be cut down near the buildings to provide a firebreak. I will put in natural plants from the forest to turn the bare ground into something living. Right now, the soil is all rough from cutting down trees, gathering the logs and brush into piles and I hope to use this debris in a hugelculture. The tractor makes it easy to dig the trenches, put in trees and slash and cover with soil. We need that technology here because they have no surface water, whereas the deeper valley along Spring Valley Road even has artesian wells.  

Comment by k.h. ky on May 11, 2015 at 12:16pm
Poppies, columbine, and irises Oh my! We're finally in bloom.
Apple trees folks. If I plant only one will it bear fruit? Does it depend on the variety?
I could search the web forever but prefer advice from my friends here who have actual experience.
My blueberries, and blackberries, are being cut off, a few inches above ground, l suspect rabbits
Comment by Barbara Livingston on May 11, 2015 at 9:56am

Lolololol... a steak-loving bear!  Next thing you know he is going to want a beer to go with it.  

Comment by Don on May 11, 2015 at 9:54am

Barbara, black bears are fairly numerous here in northern Vermont, but they tend to keep to the deep woods most of the time.  There they're able to find ample sustenance.  The only time they approach people's houses is early in the spring when they're hungry and there isn't much food available elsewhere.  That bear, I think, had been drawn to the house by the smell of a steak I was searing on the stove.  Their noses are excellent. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on May 11, 2015 at 9:45am

Chris, I'm in south central tx and we have had thunderstorms and wind which did knock down a few trees and make the power go out- no tornados, at least not yet.  I lost small branch from tree - which I promptly cut up for stakes in my garden. :)

Comment by Plinius on May 11, 2015 at 9:05am

Hi Barbara. Your bad weather was in our news - I was wondering if you sat on the roof waiting for rescue. Better not!

Comment by Barbara Livingston on May 11, 2015 at 8:59am

Joan, I agree with you about Spud's garden and the variety. I'm greatly impressed with the efforts of everyone here. Mushrooms no less!  I had many 'wild' ones during the first few warms days, but I'm sure they weren't  edible.  

As a child my mother tried to convince me that rhubarb pie was a desert - and she put rhubarb in everything, often simply putting a big bowl of pink stuff on the table for us to ladle into bowls. Sorry folks, but, I would have to pick it, but I didn't have to eat it as I never liked the taste.   Rhubarb and rutabaga are the two veggies I don't eat. :) Asparagus is a completely different story!  

Randall, I've discovered the Goji bush is a water hog! If I don't keep it watered it simply droops. Luckily, we are having more than our usual amount of rain and it is growing nicely. 

 I discovered in order to make pickles I need lots more cucumber plants than I have. :)  My pickling cukes are producing some and my regular lemon cukes have massive bushes and lots of blossoms - alas, no regular sized cucumbers yet.  Does everyone here grow cucumbers on the ground or do you stake them?  If you stake them, what do you use? I am using tomato cages and they simply aren't enough, and also a wooden trellis that the don't seem to want to climb. So I have cucumbers making a dash for all areas of my garden. 

One lone blossom on one blackberry bush so I at least know it has potential.  Also, my strawberries are producing - but the berries are very sour, why is that?  Soil, type of plant?  My bunnies make the fresh carrots straight from the garden disappear in a heartbeat! 

Daniel, I was determined to grow my plants from seeds and although I didn't have outstanding sucess,  My plants were no where near the size of your tomatoes when I planted them outside. I'm going to use your method and create a grow light and get started earlier next time. 

Don, I'm simply amazed at the bear who wanders through your garden. Does he stay in the area year round or just after hibernation ends?

Chris, I too have a Tuxedo kitty - Abby is in charge at our house! 

Comment by Plinius on May 11, 2015 at 8:07am

I had such a packet last year. Followed the instructions carefully, but never saw a mushroom.

Comment by Randall Smith on May 11, 2015 at 7:37am

Interesting, Daniel. I think I'll pass, however. I prefer the "real" ones I find in nature.

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 11, 2015 at 7:06am

Daniel, how much did the mushrooms cost?  Are there instructions for using those as starters to grow more?

It looks like they're black instead of white, as the box shows.  Do they change color as they increase in size?

I'm going shopping Wednesday, so I'll check with my local Home Depot to see if they have any.  If they do, I'll ask them the same questions, if the box doesn't answer them.


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