Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

Discussion Forum

How to Store Nuts

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Feb 23. 3 Replies

Himalayan rhododendrons blooming 3 months early

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jan 22. 4 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on November 13, 2016 at 1:24am

Kathy, just a note about pruning lilacs, They set bud immediately after the flower hits peak. If you cut the bushes back at this time of year you lose a year of blossoms. You can cut out the dead seed head at anytime. But look at the place where last year's bloom was and you can see next year's blossom. 

My Dad used to trim the shrubs in the fall, including the lilacs. I told him about the loss of next year's blossom, and stubborn Belgian that he was, he trimmed all the lilacs back and we had no blooms the following spring. 

I know from where I get my stubborn streak! Laura's too. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 12, 2016 at 10:00pm

I had a crew come this week to machete out my garden. It grows so profusely, we couldn't get through the jungle-like growth. Two of the men are from San Salvadore and they said my garden felt like home, except colder. 

I asked them to save the clippings and pile them up for a compost pile. They had not heard of Permaculture and had never piled the trimmings for any other customer. Now all I need is a couple of 5 gal buckets of chicken manure to toss on top and then a layer of dirt. It doesn't take long for that stuff to become black gold. 

I have an old pile in another part of the garden and it is as nice as anything one can buy in an expensive nursery. I can no longer do the work, but I will have some younger folks in the family spread it around in my boxes and borders. 

This autumn's colors looked like jewels hanging off branches. Less sunlight turned the leaves all shades of reds, yellows, and bronze, and the weather didn't freeze them. We had an extended autumn. 

So very beautiful!

Comment by Daniel W on November 12, 2016 at 8:14pm

Katht, I didn't prune my butterfly bushes, and now they are about 15 feet tall monsters.  I regret not being more aggressive.  They are a nice wind breakfor my orchard, but crowding the trees.  This winter, I want to cut them down to about one foot tall.

Chinese radish and sunchokes I dug up today.  I didn't even plant the sunchokes, they grew from plants I abandoned to the rabbits or deer in 2014.

Comment by k.h. ky on November 12, 2016 at 1:49pm
I started pruning the butterfly bushes. But we're still having such warm days they've not died totally back. In our area they need to be pruned back to ground level every fall. Otherwise they split and die out in the center. I left most of the green branches standing because they are still trying to bloom.
I pruned the wisteria. I still have three lilacs that need to be cut back to about three ft. And I haven't even started on the grasses!
Comment by Plinius on November 12, 2016 at 12:54pm

Good work, very calming and strengthening for your system! Even the muscle pain can be a good feeling.

Comment by Daniel W on November 12, 2016 at 9:38am

Yesterday, I spent about 8 hours clearing Himalayan blackberry brambles.  I did not measure the area, but I think I cleared around 500 square feet.  Last winter I cleared about twice that, and this fall another 500 or so sq feet.  These areas are like a small park for me now.

The solitude of this work, the rhythm, physicality, fresh air, and bird song, are as spiritual as I can claim without spirits. Today I am so sore I can hardly move.  That's fine as well.

There might be another work day or two, to clear out the remainder, leaving a few more days to cut the fallen and dead trees into next year's firewood.    I'll rake the clear soil and broadcast grass and clover seeds.   At the edges of the standing Douglas Hawthornes, I've been planting daffodils, rudbeckias, snd crocosimia.  Home depot had more daffodils for 50% off, so I bought 2 more packages of 20.

There is room for a nice, big tree.  Next week I want to see if I can find a fossil tree, such as a monkey puzzle or dawn redwood.  Metasequoia are rapid growers, but I dont know if deer eat them.  They would not touch a monkey puzzle, but those are hard to find.

Im leaning towards the monkey puzzle if I can find a nice one.

Monkey Puzzle Tree  forestry about.com

Dawn Redwood  dawnredwood.org

Comment by Daniel W on November 11, 2016 at 8:45am

Randy, they are reslly good, too.  Like a very juicy candy. 

After persimmons, and a few remaing Liberty apples, no more fresh garden fruit until next year.  There are still some root crops, especially turnips and chinese radishes, and scallions.

It's been a very good gardening year.  Im happy with it.

Now organizing seeds and looking at online seed catalogs. 

Comment by Randall Smith on November 11, 2016 at 7:04am

Wow, Daniel! Those are some big persimmons! I'm glad you're finally enjoying the fruits of your labor--literally!

Comment by Daniel W on November 10, 2016 at 10:40am

Joan, that makes sense I guess.  It's an important issue to Laura, in her area.  Maybe it's the fallen leaves that burn so easily and start the conflagration. Maybe a deciduous tree with small leaves would be less concerning because they don't collect as much, but I don't know.

Here is another type of persimmon from my orchard.  They are big, a Japanese variety called "Saijo".   The nursery websites claim that means, "The very best" in Japanese.  Always being the skeptic, I looked that up on Google Translate, and it comes back as "Talented Woman".  Regardless, it's delicious.  I think the NIkita's Gift Asian/American hybrid has a more complex flavor, but both are delicious.

The photo is Saijo, with a couple of Nikita's Gift for comparison.  The NG are more squat and red, Saijo more oblong and orange.  The original Saijo tree is supposedly still alive in Japan, something like 600 years old.  NG was developed in Yalta in the Ukraine as an attempt to grow persimmons in the colder Russian climate, by crossing the larger Asian persimmons Diospyros kaki,  with smaller, hardier American persimmon Diospyros virgiana.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 9, 2016 at 10:28am

A deciduous tree catches sparks, leaps into flame and starts the conifers like a hot ember, especially during drought. The conifers burn the oils and pith and creating massive torches.

I could be wrong. 


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