Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Daniel W on November 7, 2015 at 6:58pm
Kathy that's a great expression. I must remember it. Didn't know that about cut potatues, either. I learn so much here.

Joan what a beautiful photo. Your garden is 1000 times better than a garden designer's plan.
Comment by Joan Denoo on November 7, 2015 at 1:01pm

For me, Crataegus phaenopyrum: Washington Hawthorn was my choice because I saw them In Ireland used as hedgerows. They were pruned by vehicles hitting the brittle branches forming a formal looking hedge. The trees were in full bloom, white, filled with bees, and a subtle fragrance.

When I returned home, I planted one near my canopied deck over the garage. The autumn color was stunningly beautiful, pure copper/red. It had horrid thorns, three inches long and they broke the skin without breaking from the limb. A painful tree to prune. 

The tree snapped at a crotch that I should have pruned to a single trunk while young to remove the vulnerability. Scott, the man who does my pruning, bolted the broken branch back in place, but it did not survive. Cary cut the tree down leaving a trunk about five feet tall that I used as a bird feeding station. I put a five feet diameter wire fence around it to protect birds from cats while feeding on the ground.  

Larry and Old Baldy (me) beside the bird feeding station. I neglected my garden during my 2013 dance with cancer. My hair came back and so did I. 

Crataegus phaenopyrum: Washington Hawthorn

Comment by k.h. ky on November 7, 2015 at 12:27pm
And, important, you have to rub both sides of the cut potatoes into the dirt to protect the other potatoes. It usually works.
Comment by k.h. ky on November 7, 2015 at 12:19pm
Randy,my dad taught us to cut the potatoe in half if we dug into it. You're right that they are not as pretty but they do heal and remain edible as you know.

Spud,Anyone, is there a difference between cantaloup and muskmelon? I could try to google it but my service isn't that good.
I got my wish for cooler temps. We've gone from highs of 80 to highs in the paper 50s. That's a little cooler than l like.

As a friend of mine used to tell me 'I would bitch if I was hung with a new rope'. I miss her.
Comment by Daniel W on November 7, 2015 at 9:32am

Chris, it's confusing.  Or at least, I am confused.  The European Hawthorne Crataegus monogyna is considered an invasive species that crowds out other trees and replaces indigenous species.  The trees in my thicket have weak trunks,  Many have fallen over and there is a lot of dead wood. The branches break off easily, and the trees grow together in a thicket that you cant enter to remove the Himalayan blackberries.  The blackberies are also invasive, grow up to 5 meters high full of thorns, and crowd out everything else.   The berries are delicious.  Both have lots of flowers that the honeybees and native bees like, so they do have a role.

Where I am confused is what I thought was European Hawthorne might actually be the native Douglas Hawthorne Crataegus douglasii  .  I am often wrong about things.

Either way, I'm leaving the healthy, sturdy trees, but removing the broken off branches, fallen over trees, weak trees, and lowest branches that are too crowded.  I'm leaving many of them in place, if they look healthy.   We have a wood burning stove, so the removed trees will be used for heating. 

They are not huge trees.  Trunks as big around as my arm. 

Comment by Plinius on November 7, 2015 at 8:58am

What's wrong with hawthorn, Daniel? It could be a beautiful border of your ravine.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 7, 2015 at 7:33am

Sounds like a lot of garden clean-up going on. I'm on the bandwagon, too. I stasrted to hack down raspberry canes, but then read it shouldn't be done 'til late winter, early spring. Oops.

Time to mow down the asparagus, remove tomato cages, and level out the potato and squash mounds. I'll leave broc. and Br. sprouts for another month or so. Kale and collards, too. If it's a mild winter, they may survive well into the new year.

Daniel, I'm enjoying my persimmons. Wish you were here!

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 6, 2015 at 11:50pm

Daniel, Thanks for the list of apples you are "partial to". Your list adds to my "Seek, Taste, and Find ones I like" file. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 6, 2015 at 10:12pm
Joan, I have not tried goats. Sounds inteteresting. I dont mind doing it - Im outside, puttering, breathing the fresh air. There is no hurry. The tree limbs get cut for firewood. I run over the cut brambles with the lawnmower and collect them for compost. the brambles are listed by the state as noxious weeds, but they are so prevalent they dont even remove them from the roadside. Grass roots will hold the soil better - its bare under the berries and hawthorns, nothing else grows in the thickets.

If those apples look and taste like Granny Smith, then they must be what they are. It's a rather unique apple. Im more partial to Jonagold, Braeburn, Honeycrisp for mainstrsm apples, and some disease resistant hybrids for gardening.
Comment by Joan Denoo on November 6, 2015 at 7:52pm

Daniel, I don't know what kind of apple tree Laura and Larry planted and they do not have the tag. The only apples that appeared looked and tasted like Granny Smith apples. 


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