Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

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Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Comment by Idaho Spud on July 23, 2017 at 6:04am

Peeing bears!  Oh!  The horror!

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 22, 2017 at 8:40pm

Daniel and Kathy, I agree, competely. 

Comment by kathy: ky on July 22, 2017 at 8:13pm
Daniel, animals peeing outside! How disgusting. Everyone knows you should take your cows and other animals into a barn with pee pads. Lol

The two acres of electric fence we put up only cost about five hundred including the charger. And it works against almost everything. Sometimes possums will cross from the trees but that's about it. Occasionally deer will be running scared and bolt right into it but that's before they find out where it's at. When they learn that it's rare that anything comes through. Flagging it is important because it's very difficult to see otherwise.
Have you tried the old trick of tying two aluminum pie pans together from the tree limbs so they clatter when a breeze blows??
And the same thing in the gardens tied to stakes? I'm had good luck with that. Provided there's enough breeze to make them hit together.
Comment by Daniel W on July 22, 2017 at 4:31pm

BB, I use 1/4 cup Epsom salts in 2 gallon watering can, water over about 25 square feet in garden bed or around tree.  I buy it in either the laxative section at Fred Meyer, or the bath salts section.  The laxative version seems less adulterated and cheaper.

Comment by Daniel W on July 22, 2017 at 4:25pm

Paragraph below should read, dont use if soil is dry, not oil.  My bad proof reading.

Comment by Daniel W on July 22, 2017 at 4:23pm

Thomas, I dont discuss pee-cycling much any more because on another website, a gardening site, people were so worked up and grossed out about it, and one guy said he would contact the dept of health, so I quit that website. I actually dont think there is any health issue about peecycling, especially for trees.  I understand the concern, however, because if you let someone use their own pee in their own country garden, next thing you know people will let their dogs pee outside all over town, then farmers will let their cows and pigs pee out in the fields, and soon bears and bisen will pee in the wild.  In town and city, I do understand the concern, but I am in the countryside.

What I will say is this.  The main component of urine, other than water, is urea nitrogen, which is used in many-ton amounts as fertilizer across America.  If the urine sits a while, the urea converts to ammonia, which is still a good nitrogen fertilizer.  Most websites state use it 1 part urine plus 10 parts water.  Some use 1 part urine plus 5 part water.  They use that in a watering can, spread over approx 10 feet by 10 feet area, so about 100 square feet.  Dont use if oil is dry.  After adding to soil, water in a little with equal amont of water.  For trees, added nitrogen should be in late winter, spring, and maybe early summer.  You dont want to boost new green growth in late summer or fall, that will be too tender to survive freezing.   In high salts soils, urine has too much salt and can harm plants.  Dont use on leafy crops, but sweet corn responds well to a nitrogen boost.  Fish fertilizer diluted per instruction on label gives similar nitrogen boost.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 22, 2017 at 4:14pm

Daniel, I agree, each bed could have a different test; even a large garden can have different soil content. 

Wonderful news about your use of epsom salts and the effects. With your pee to add lively nitrogen, you have a winning combination. Your photos give us rich evidence. Surely would like to sit in your sunroom with you, Ning, Charlie and a plate of fresh fruits and vegetables. That would be about as close to heaven as I can imagine. 

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 22, 2017 at 4:06pm

Daniel - what kind of concentration of the epsom salts do you use? Or how much? (Do you dissolve it in water first?)

Comment by Daniel W on July 22, 2017 at 4:00pm

Joan, thank you for the great information and reminder.

I gave Epsom salts to a number of my plants and trees this year.  The mulberry and persimmon leaves were yellowish and somewhat distorted during previous years.  My soil test did point out deficiencies in calcium and magnesium.  There is plenty of potassium and phosphorus, and organic matter.  Last year I added lime for calcium and to buffer acidity pH 5.3 - to no discernable benefit.  This year I added Epsom salts.  Holy moly, the growth is so lush and amazing on those trees, with leaves rich, dark green.  I also gave a few doses to the onions.  Some of those are the size of grapefruits now, and so pungent!  I read the sulfur in Epsom salts would increase pungency.  My pepper plants are also more lush this year, after adding Epsom salts to their soil.

Some of the scientific literature states dont feed Epdon salts unless there is a known magnesium defiency.  However, I think unless it is a high mineral soil, it is ok to use.  You cant test every bed and every container, so it is a judgement call.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 22, 2017 at 3:50pm

Daniel, thanks for your information on "The Garden of Herbivores." We have a nice chart now that I didn't have before your wrote of your  pests. 


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