Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Joan Denoo on May 31, 2015 at 11:23am

Ian, thanks for the video! I shared it with my family team. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 31, 2015 at 11:05am

Barbara, I love your comments, so full of information and an inspiration for me. 

Yes, I hope the swales will hold moisture in the ground. Michelle took photos and with her five kids, an active member of the Fir District, and a very good gardener, she may delay posting the photos. I will post them here as soon as she sends them to me.

It is amazing to learn of all your water. Living at Ft. Hood and trying to garden was a real challenge because of lack of water. I wonder if that area will become more tropical? My patch of Earth in Spokane is trending toward USDA Zone 6 from zone 5. I continue to select plants for Zone 5 because of the freak cold spells that surprise us all who garden there.

I wonder if using your fence for support of your vining vegetables will provide space in your hugelkultur bed? The disadvantage is the plants may not have full sun. If you put some kind of netting or wire support on the fence the vining plants could grow to 10 feet. This design would require managing the vines because the fence is probably only six feet high. 

The video of 6,000 lbs. of food on a small city lot amazed me, too. It is an extreme design and doable. I saved the video to get some ideas. I don't want to garden in that extreme way, however, I do not like grass. I have not one blade of grass in my Spokane garden. The garden at Newport can be huge. We cleared a space for a new greenhouse, and there are about a dozen raised bed boxes that I plan to use after we put up deer fencing. 

The vigorous growth of greens with little development of radishes may indicate too much nitrogen. 

"Overcrowded plants produce small, misshapen roots. Hot, pithy radishes may be the result of hot weather or harvesting too late. Excessive nitrogen, the rapid onset of hot weather, or overcrowding may produce plants that are all tops (lush foliage, little or no root development)."

Growing Radishes in the Home Garden

Oh! Yes! powdery mildew and damp weather. I know it well! This video describes the process of prevention and treatment. Please forgive the LDS comment. This is the best video I quickly found. 
Powdery Mildew Treatment: How To Kill Powdery Mildew Fast

I agree! "Gardeners are the most optimistic people on earth! "

hugelkultur bed

Comment by Barbara Livingston on May 31, 2015 at 9:52am

Randall, with all the standing water and soggy ground in my small space and all the mosquito potential I can't begin to imagine what the farmers must be going through.

Joan, with your water drainage, swales are perfect to slow the water down. I hope you are able to take pictures of your efforts as I would like to see them. 

Don, you said it was okay to cut the vines - article Spud suggested said each plant needed 10 feet to support actual fruit. I was standing in garden with scissors prepared to start cutting and realized they still hadn't reached 10' although they have grown outside my actual garden area - ditto with everything I planted in my small hugelkultur bed. With all the rain we've had I envision them growing across the lawn, up the privacy fence and over into my neighbor's yard!

I realize I simply don't have the room to grow vining veggies, squash, melons, cucumbers unless I put in heavy metal upright supports such as cattle grating.  I put in a wooden trellis, and several large tomato cages for the cucumbers and with all the rain I can't even see the supports - the fvines completely cover them.  This year has definitely been a learning experience. 

Back to the drawing board.  I'm amazed that someone could produce 6,000 lbs. of food on the same amount of space that I have.  

Chris, my radish tops grew like crazy, the actual radish not so much.  The ground was actually muddy around them.  However, bunnies love the tops! :) 

Clearing weather with sunshine is forecast for this week and just in time for all my drought tolerant plants that are all gasping from too much water - a new salvia that I was excited about growing simply died after a great start. Today is treatment day for the powdery mildew rearing its ugly head. 

I can't believe I've just said anything about too much rain.  The good thing is more sunshine is on the way - and my rain barrels are full.  

AND - next week I attend a seminar on Fall Planting. 

Gardeners are the most optimistic people on earth! 

Comment by Randall Smith on May 31, 2015 at 7:31am

We also got deluged with over 2" of rain yest. My yard and garden drains well, but surrounding farm fields have standing water in every ponding area. I feel sorry for the farmers--crops ruined. We have (and I pay dearly for) extensive tile drainage networks, but they can't handle so much water is such little time. 3 days under water kills corn and beans.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2015 at 11:10am

Looks like our work day is rained out. (See Hang with Friends, "Today is a big day of the family joining together to clear out the underbrush of the forest, ")

An extremely heavy rain burst out. The soil here is very sandy with only little patches of clay. The ground percolates water as fast as it comes down. We created flow patterns to the rain-run-off, keeping it as high on the hill and flowing for as long as possible before it leaves the property. 

Today is a big day of the family joining together to clear out the underbrush of the forest, 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2015 at 11:01am

Daniel, that is one remarkable family and garden:

Grow 6,000 pounds of food on 1/10 of an acre per year, in Los Angeles. 


Comment by Joan Denoo on May 30, 2015 at 10:41am

Chris, two radishes! I'm impressed! I planted seeds in pots, seed starter flats, and in the ground. The only thing showing is radishes and they are a long way from eating size. 

Comment by Plinius on May 30, 2015 at 9:30am

Harvest home! The first two radishes!

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 30, 2015 at 9:12am

Congratulations Randall. 

I hadn't planned on planting any potatoes in my small garden, but I found one with a few leaves growing in my truck full of compost, so I placed it in the garden in a pile of the compost.

Comment by Randall Smith on May 30, 2015 at 7:16am

Got him!  At least one (mole).


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