Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Barbara Livingston on May 11, 2015 at 2:53pm

Joan, absolutely nothing makes waking up in the morning more fun than having a new garden to plan!  Walking the area with a fresh cup of coffee and dreaming and scheming ... How exciting for you. I'm not always crazy about the actual move, but since you have family to help that too should go easy.  When is the actual move going to take place? 

Comment by k.h. ky on May 11, 2015 at 2:03pm
Joan, that sounds like a wonderful plan. And you have a close and loving family to help you. I'm sure it will be difficult to give up the home you made from scratch but it seems to be time to move forward. And you have a new garden to plan. That's exciting.
I would redo almost everything about mine if I had the chance. The way it stands now I'm constantly tearing out old things and replanting or just moving them.
Live and learn!
Comment by Idaho Spud on May 11, 2015 at 12:42pm

Are you going to take some cuttings from your old place?

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 11, 2015 at 12:41pm

Joan, I hope for you the best in your move, and hope you don't get too homesick for your old place.  Are you going to transplant some plants from your old place?

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 11, 2015 at 12:29pm

It is now official, I am selling my home and car and moving to Laura's home. I have a lovely bedroom that looks to the west and north into the forest. A large clearing exists here at her home where a previous owner cleared cut a patch, I assume for some farming activity that consists of grass that they mow. 

Larry bought a greenhouse that will be installed in the late summer. Usually, killing frosts occur here late in the spring. However, this year we had no spring weather. We didn't get the usual rains and thunder storms of this area, winter turned into summer all at once. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 11, 2015 at 12:28pm

What a joy to wake up and read this string! It is the best medicine I know. 

The vegetable garden here at Laura's hasn't grown anything in several years, and a thicket of weeds reside there now. My granddaughter plans to use it this year. I advised her to cover the ground with a tarp to keep sunlight, water, and air from it. The weeds will be easier to pull up, especially if she uses the deep water tool that I loaned her. I think she will decide to plow the ground, turning the weeds into the soil. If there were no weed seeds dug into the ground. I agree the weeds themselves are mulch. So I will observe and see how plowing works. 

The soil here is sand left over from the glacial floods after the Ice Age. The property sits on a hillock and looks to me like a sand deposit left by both terminal moraine and debris of a departing glacier. Lower in the valley, the soils consist of rock as from a rushing stream. I haven't seen a geology map of this area yet, and then I can know for sure. 

At Laura's home, situated higher on the hill and deeper into the forest than Michelle's home, is pure sand. My strategy is to mulch heavily on the terraces and expand the mulching as time and energy allow. There are no deciduous trees on the property, only coniferous. Loggers took out the old growth years ago leaving behind huge stumps. The new growth contains a mixture of several kinds of conifers. Laura and her crew of hearty workers have been thinning out the weaklings trying to push up through the dense forest. Many of the mature trees show evidence of bending to reach the light. They make an interesting feature of the woods. 

The forest and shrubs have to be cut down near the buildings to provide a firebreak. I will put in natural plants from the forest to turn the bare ground into something living. Right now, the soil is all rough from cutting down trees, gathering the logs and brush into piles and I hope to use this debris in a hugelculture. The tractor makes it easy to dig the trenches, put in trees and slash and cover with soil. We need that technology here because they have no surface water, whereas the deeper valley along Spring Valley Road even has artesian wells.  

Comment by k.h. ky on May 11, 2015 at 12:16pm
Poppies, columbine, and irises Oh my! We're finally in bloom.
Apple trees folks. If I plant only one will it bear fruit? Does it depend on the variety?
I could search the web forever but prefer advice from my friends here who have actual experience.
My blueberries, and blackberries, are being cut off, a few inches above ground, l suspect rabbits
Comment by Barbara Livingston on May 11, 2015 at 9:56am

Lolololol... a steak-loving bear!  Next thing you know he is going to want a beer to go with it.  

Comment by Don on May 11, 2015 at 9:54am

Barbara, black bears are fairly numerous here in northern Vermont, but they tend to keep to the deep woods most of the time.  There they're able to find ample sustenance.  The only time they approach people's houses is early in the spring when they're hungry and there isn't much food available elsewhere.  That bear, I think, had been drawn to the house by the smell of a steak I was searing on the stove.  Their noses are excellent. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on May 11, 2015 at 9:45am

Chris, I'm in south central tx and we have had thunderstorms and wind which did knock down a few trees and make the power go out- no tornados, at least not yet.  I lost small branch from tree - which I promptly cut up for stakes in my garden. :)


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