Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Comment by kathy: ky on May 13, 2017 at 9:31pm
Joan I have the same problem with my grown daughter. Even though she was raised with composting and recycling she won't do it at her house.

I had several weigela but they stopped blooming and die after five or six years.
Comment by Joan Denoo on May 13, 2017 at 6:15pm

Daniel, I wasn't able to open the references before, and now have had a chance to open and read them. There appears to be some valid and reliable information in them and i am grateful for these leads. 

Your lilacs looks so pretty, I can almost smell them. I will discuss some options with Laura and see if i can get out from under the exposure to glyphosate and get a few lilacs and Weigela started. I had both in Spokane and loved them. 

We have another night of frost predicted for Sunday night. Still hardening off greenhouse stuff. 

Happy gardening. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 13, 2017 at 6:01pm

Thanks, Daniel, for your quick response. I have essentially two questions at this time, and the Googled literature has conflicting instructions. I suppose some of the reports on "short life" of glyphosate in plant life have sponsors from the chemical industry. The information of the chemical staying in the soil may be from gardeners or land-grant colleges. I will pay attention to the sources as I further my search.
My experience this spring is that I sowed many varieties of vegetable seeds in the greenhouse to get a head start on plants that take longer than 50 days to mature. The tomatoes came up correctly while few of my other vegetables and herbs showed sprouting through the ground. Some of my seed was old.
My soil consists of homemade compost from kitchen scraps, horse manure that is now more than two years old, and trimmings from the garden. I replanted twice and now am going to use only seed starter mix from the hay, seed, feed, and grain store and fresh seeds. Perhaps I should go to the local hardware to get the seed starter mix.
My second concern is the research about plants retaining the chemical in their tissues. Are the vegetables safe for small children? We have a gaggle of kids joining me in the garden. I teach them how to wash the vegetables before eating them, but I don't know about the salads and cooked ones I serve at the dinner table. Of course, I wash everything thoroughly.
Our salads are very fresh, light, and especially delicious. Even the little ones eat what I harvest.

Comment by Daniel W on May 13, 2017 at 5:20pm
Comment by Daniel W on May 13, 2017 at 5:17pm

BB I love that cartoon.  It reminds me of some of the "Pearls before Swine" twisted puns and other word play.

Comment by Daniel W on May 13, 2017 at 5:06pm

Lilac "Red Pixie" grows only 4 feet tall. 

Weigela "Minaret"grows 2 to 3 feet tall.  I have problems with deer eating my weigela, even though the books say they don't do that.  My deer are not good readers.  I have a yellow variety, that is about 4 feet tall after maybe 5 years, and the variety Wine and Roses which is a similar size.   Deer were eating that but seem to have stopped.

Comment by Daniel W on May 13, 2017 at 4:54pm

Joan, does Laura use" other herbicides?   I ask because the durability of glyphosate in plant material is unclear, ditto for compost.  for example, "The primary reason crops can be planted or seeded directly into treated areas following application is that glyphosate exhibits essentially no pre-emergent activity even when applied at high rates. This means that while the product may still be in the soil, it does not have the same effect on emergent seedlings as it does on established plants. "

On page 8 of this article, "The half-life of glyphosate ranged from 10 to 27 days in foliage and litter and twice as long in soil".  I admit, I skimmed lightly.  Too much reading for me.

On the other hand,herbicides are a known problem in horse manure.   The article describes the herbicides and the plant crops that can be affected.

I'm not saying I like the idea of using roundup on dandelions, but I sense an area of conflict and maybe it's not her dandelionicide that is causing the problem.

I love your descriptions of the spring phenomena.  So beautiful.

Oh, I was thinking - if you can't grow lilacs because bears hide in them, what about the dwarf Korean lilacs?  Ours our very fragrant and pretty.  Different, but still nice.  The variety "Bloomerang" blooms for months instead of weeks, and is fragrant.  Reaches 4-5 feet tall, but I think they can be pruned shorter.    There is purple and pink

There are also dwarf Weigela now.  The lilacs are deer resistant, and maybe the chickens could hide among them, while they would be too small to provide cover for bears.

I bet a Spokane nursery would have them.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 13, 2017 at 2:10pm

The sun shines, evidence of frost occurred last night, the greenhouse has seedling and plants ready to go out into the growing boxes, and I have energy for more than a couple hours of chores. Spring definitely continues and the colors of the forest of fir and cedars ripens with the growth of needles on the Larch. 

Dominic had his "rub" this morning and I will give him a thorough brushing when we go outside. 

The menu today includes a pot of beans and the fourth day of serving salad greens from the greenhouse. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 13, 2017 at 2:01pm

Bertold, you hit on two of my favorite topics, dogs and gardens, not in any particular order. 

"Crap, we've got Carpenter Ants" too. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 13, 2017 at 1:59pm

Kathy, I agree with you about Roundup. Convincing a grown daughter of anything takes lots of reasoning. She is a logical and rational type of person (for which I am grateful). I just have to out "logic and rationalize" her!


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