Godless in the garden

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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  

 

Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
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Latest Activity: 22 hours ago

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits

Folklore.

Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.
Squirrels.

Synergies.

Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

An Herb Garden for Chickens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Aug 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture Chickens Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 30. 1 Reply

Using Chickens in a Food Forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 17. 15 Replies

Crisis garden annuals

Started by Larry Martin. Last reply by Larry Martin Jul 11. 4 Replies

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Comment by k.h. ky on November 8, 2015 at 1:29pm
Daniel, that's exactly the kind of garden l would do. They can't have large trees because of all the overhead lines so fruit trees would be ideal. Maybe a couple of small ornamentals. Japenese maple or weeping pussy willow. Some berries, a vegetable patch!

I just described the yard l left in town over twenty years ago. I drive by sometimes and it's still there. The only thing missing is the phlox that covered a low rotting tree trunk.

I've wondered many times if the mower that ran over it was destroyed! Lol
Comment by Daniel W on November 8, 2015 at 11:36am

Kathy, I think the same thing, except I keep wanting people to plant fruit trees and vegetable gardens, and flowers.

I grew up in a Mississippi river town that was so humid in the summer it was difficult to breathe.  Get out of the shower and start sweating as soon as you dry off.  We did not have air conditioning.  Work days were not as long.   Most people had flowers in their yards, and vegetable gardens, and fruit trees, and shade trees.

Not as long ago, taking care of my parents there, the gardens were gone.  Many neighborhoods had fewer trees.  Fruit trees were as rare as hens teeth. 

I think what happened is many things.  With affordable, near universal air conditioning, who wants to be outdoors?  With TV, who wants to do stuff in the garden in spring and fall?  Indoor activities like TV and internet are continuously stimulating - outdoor yard work seems like work. 

I can't blame anyone for losing interest in gardening, but it seems like a major loss. 

I hope that the next generation turns around and discovers the joy and wonder of growing stuff.  Meanwhile a lot of horticultural literacy and plant genetic heritage is dwindling away.

Comment by k.h. ky on November 8, 2015 at 10:46am
I'm l the only one who looks at tiny, bare, 'postage stamp' yards in town and thinks 'I'd dig it all out and turn it into an ornamental garden'!
Comment by Randall Smith on November 8, 2015 at 7:28am

Yes, thanks, Kathy. Regular potatoes heal differently than sweet, however. I'm eating the cut ones (sweet) as fast as I can! They rot very quickly.

Today, I'm going to slow cook a bone broth mixture of potatoes, carrots, parsnips, onion, and green beans (garlic, of course). It's delicious and so good for you. Can't wait for supper!

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 7, 2015 at 7:44pm

Daniel, thank you! I loved doing it; I hate leaving it; I have an opportunity to design another garden. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 7, 2015 at 6:58pm
Kathy that's a great expression. I must remember it. Didn't know that about cut potatues, either. I learn so much here.

Joan what a beautiful photo. Your garden is 1000 times better than a garden designer's plan.
Comment by Joan Denoo on November 7, 2015 at 1:01pm

For me, Crataegus phaenopyrum: Washington Hawthorn was my choice because I saw them In Ireland used as hedgerows. They were pruned by vehicles hitting the brittle branches forming a formal looking hedge. The trees were in full bloom, white, filled with bees, and a subtle fragrance.

When I returned home, I planted one near my canopied deck over the garage. The autumn color was stunningly beautiful, pure copper/red. It had horrid thorns, three inches long and they broke the skin without breaking from the limb. A painful tree to prune. 

The tree snapped at a crotch that I should have pruned to a single trunk while young to remove the vulnerability. Scott, the man who does my pruning, bolted the broken branch back in place, but it did not survive. Cary cut the tree down leaving a trunk about five feet tall that I used as a bird feeding station. I put a five feet diameter wire fence around it to protect birds from cats while feeding on the ground.  

Larry and Old Baldy (me) beside the bird feeding station. I neglected my garden during my 2013 dance with cancer. My hair came back and so did I. 

Crataegus phaenopyrum: Washington Hawthorn

Comment by k.h. ky on November 7, 2015 at 12:27pm
And, important, you have to rub both sides of the cut potatoes into the dirt to protect the other potatoes. It usually works.
Comment by k.h. ky on November 7, 2015 at 12:19pm
Randy,my dad taught us to cut the potatoe in half if we dug into it. You're right that they are not as pretty but they do heal and remain edible as you know.

Spud,Anyone, is there a difference between cantaloup and muskmelon? I could try to google it but my service isn't that good.
I got my wish for cooler temps. We've gone from highs of 80 to highs in the paper 50s. That's a little cooler than l like.

As a friend of mine used to tell me 'I would bitch if I was hung with a new rope'. I miss her.
Comment by Daniel W on November 7, 2015 at 9:32am

Chris, it's confusing.  Or at least, I am confused.  The European Hawthorne Crataegus monogyna is considered an invasive species that crowds out other trees and replaces indigenous species.  The trees in my thicket have weak trunks,  Many have fallen over and there is a lot of dead wood. The branches break off easily, and the trees grow together in a thicket that you cant enter to remove the Himalayan blackberries.  The blackberies are also invasive, grow up to 5 meters high full of thorns, and crowd out everything else.   The berries are delicious.  Both have lots of flowers that the honeybees and native bees like, so they do have a role.

Where I am confused is what I thought was European Hawthorne might actually be the native Douglas Hawthorne Crataegus douglasii  .  I am often wrong about things.

Either way, I'm leaving the healthy, sturdy trees, but removing the broken off branches, fallen over trees, weak trees, and lowest branches that are too crowded.  I'm leaving many of them in place, if they look healthy.   We have a wood burning stove, so the removed trees will be used for heating. 

They are not huge trees.  Trunks as big around as my arm. 

 

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