Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

The Broadfork Chicken MIRACLE

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Oct 8. 4 Replies

What Killed My Chicken - How To Know

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 28. 2 Replies

Polluting Yourself with Leaf Blowers

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 22. 6 Replies

Willow tree

Started by Thomas Murray. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 15. 12 Replies

Front yard gardening. Edible Estates.

Started by Daniel Wachenheim. Last reply by k.h. ky Sep 15. 14 Replies

Archer Strawberry

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 15. 2 Replies

Deer Fence Installed! But Where's the Mulch?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Sep 6. 1 Reply

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

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Comment by Randall Smith on January 16, 2016 at 7:56am

Daniel, I LOVE IT!  You and the dog. Wonderful! Congrats on getting the job(s) done. Well done.

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on January 15, 2016 at 10:51am


The last one is in the ground.

At least they weren't this size - lilac gardens about 10 miles from here -

We also moved a Ginkgo biloba tree that I had in my old front yard, a seedling I started some time back.

Now it's time to rest.  I need to get my energy back before going to work next week, wore out completely but happy with the conclusion of this project.

Comment by Randall Smith on January 15, 2016 at 8:28am

It appears the dam removal happened several years ago. It doesn't look like the hoped for results occured.

Did you get your lilac bushes planted, Daniel?

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 14, 2016 at 10:02pm

Spectacular Time Lapse Video of Historic Dam Removal

"For 98 years, the 125-foot high Condit Dam in southeastern Washington State held back the White Salmon River, creating a serene lake, but choking off the waterway to salmon. Wednesday, in an historic effort, the dam was dramatically breached, and ecologists hope the increased flow of water will restore the waterway to fish and other aquatic organisms, as well as the birds and mammals that rely on them."

Did you see how much sediment came out the bottom of that dam? I hope trees and grasses get planted all along the bank in an attempt to stop that lovely stuff from running off into the ocean. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 14, 2016 at 2:11pm

Paraphrasing Loren, cream in milk and feces in water rise to the top. Skim the cream off to make butter, skim the feces off to make fertilizer. Both have value even as one smells so much better than the other.

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on January 14, 2016 at 8:22am
There are a few videos online of massive trees being moved. I. wonder how they do in the long run. They must have lost 75 % or more of their root mass. Maybe 90%. I read feeder roots extend twice to drip line, so the tree needs to grow new feeder roots for several years, after transplanting.

I want to plant those two remaining lilacs today. They have far larger healthy intact root mass, compared to trees and shrubs bought at the nursery, so I am optimistic. They look handsome in their new location, like they have been there for many years. They will get lots of water this summer, and already have a thick layer of wood chip mulch.
Comment by Joan Denoo on January 14, 2016 at 12:43am

What a task to take on. I fully expected one or more of the tractors to disappear into the new hole. I wonder how they came up with that configuration of tractors; it worked beautifully!

I assume you are hand-digging your lilacs, Daniel. hard, hard work! You must be exhausted!

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on January 13, 2016 at 9:39pm

A tree moving project just slightly bigger than mine.  :-)

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on January 13, 2016 at 9:21pm

This week I've been off from work.  I've been digging up our etablished lilacs and moving them to the Battleground place.  It took more than a month to move 8 shrubs.  The last 2 are in the truck.

Next comes my ginkgo tree, 18 years old.  It has been slow growing, but now maybe 10 foot tall.  I dug it sort of like this -

It's dug, but now needs to be wrapped, moved, and planted.

So exhausted! Heading for bed now :-)
Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on January 13, 2016 at 11:48am

Randy, I second that.  I always feel like this group is my friends and neighbors, and when someone is not here, I feel the loss.

On one of the fruit growing websites, there is a lot of angst in warmer climates regarding the warm winter.  Some apples in the SouthEast are blooming.  High risk for frost kill at that stage.  One can hope the warm doesn't cycle back to a freeze.

We have lilacs with big buds, but I think they do that now anyway.  The other fruit tree buds still appear closed tight.


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