Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Comment by Daniel W on June 19, 2017 at 10:17am

Back seems better but something going on with thigh, maybe I have a strain.  Getting older...  Today no heavy lifting but probably mow and how.  I did the big parts Saturday with garden tractor, but there are all of the details to do with walking mower.

I'm trying to redesign some areas such as orchard to better accommodate the garden tractor for less work with walking mower.  That will mean removal of some deer cages, or moving them for wider aisles.  Several of my trees are big enough that deer wont be able to graze them much.

Joan, Charlie does like the sunroom.  It gets hot there in the summer.  I want to make reflective panels to shade it, if I get the time and ambition.

Most of my grafting projects from this Spring succeeded.  I had read that Hawthorn is related to pears and quince, and accepts those scions.  However, none of those took.  On the other hand, I added some apple varieties to the apple trees, and pear varieties to the pear trees, and plum varieties to plum trees, and all took.  Most have grown a foot or more, so I've been removing the plastic strips that I use to hold the grafts into place until they fuse.

Young Winecrisp apple tree with 3 grafts. Two are Sweet-16 and one is Milo Gibson. Those are hobby orchardist varieties that I hope to taste in a year or two.

One of the chestnut trees that I planted this winter.  This one is vigorous, the other 2 have much less growth.  I added more cage.  Deer browsing is very heavy right now, and I want to give it every chance to grow.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 19, 2017 at 7:13am

A friend in the garden indeed.  I've often thought of finding some snakes to put in my garden, but haven't tried it yet.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 19, 2017 at 7:11am

Daniel, that clearing you made to sit in looks beautiful and  peaceful.

Hope your back gets better soon.  I used to go to chiropractors because the first one seemed to help my low back pain.  However, it could have been coincidence because from what I read now, their explanations are bogus, it's questionable if they really do any good, and they can definitely do harm cracking your neck.

I did enjoy the massages I received before the adjustments at my last chiropractor.  If I had the money, I would find a place where I could get good massages and go regularly, although I very seldom have any back pain.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 19, 2017 at 3:00am

Daniel, your stamina amazes me; your ability to plant and transplant trees and shrubs fills me with wonder. How do you get so much done? Just reading about your projects makes my joints ache. 

I wonder if poor old Charlie would be happy sitting beside you in the sunroom? 

May I be so bold as to suggest you go in for a really good massage and chiropractic treatment and take a day or two of rest? 

Comment by Daniel W on June 18, 2017 at 7:48pm

Kathy, I did hurt myself.  Ice packs yesterday and today, now I can get up and move around, but still can't lift Charlie into and out of the car.  Another few days....  :-)

My spot at the woods edge.  I cleared brambles, cut a path, rolled the stumps, and added some old timbers for a bench.  It's quiet, the birds sing and after rains, you can hear the stream flow.

A friend in the vegetable garden.  I read they eat slugs, snails, voles, and bugs.  So I let them be.  There were 4 today.

Comment by kathy: ky on June 17, 2017 at 3:17pm
Thomas, I read an article yesterday about paw paw and they are supposed to be easy to start from seeds.
Ky has an abundance of them so digging a two or three inch seedling works well here. Plus they are native to ky so that probably helps a lot. I've found that I get better trees and incredibly fast growth from the smallest seedlings. Transplanted a two inch redbud last year and it's over five feet tall now. But it's also native to ky. Maybe that's the key to success with trees. Stick with the ones that are native to your area.

Daniel, your going to hurt yourself but we all tend to keep doing until we over do it.
Seems to be a fact of life.
Comment by Thomas Murray on June 17, 2017 at 1:56pm

Hey all,

Thanks for all the encouragements ( I needed that) and Joan's video. I like that term 'food forest'.

 It was my son's suggestion to grow some fruit trees. Several years ago he helped me with our garden vegetable and he didn't like it much... weeds! So in order to keep my son outdoors I took up the suggestion of his fruit trees idea. I still need to get one more fruit tree.

We already started digging the hole. I made a screen to remove all the large rocks.  When Randal mentioned worms I looked back and  I don't remember digging up any worms....anywhere? Something wrong here? I dunno.....

  Speaking of nurseries, I went to three nurseries to buy to a soil testing kit but none of them carried any! So I had to order mine online. And Kathy, the nursery that had the costly paw paw, one of the gardeners there did warn me that transplanting paw paw is a risky chance. So for the price they were asking for a three footer was not worth the risk.

  I forgot which you tube this was on but according to this guy, if starting from seeds or pit from a fruit bought at a store, better go the farmers market and buy the fruits. The chance are that these fruit are locally grown and are not irradiated nor have chemicals on them which makes them viable candidates for healthy fruit trees. So to save money, we will start our seeds and pits from locally grown fruits.

Thanks for all the encouragements and suggestions.

Comment by Daniel W on June 17, 2017 at 1:13pm

Kathy, I agree with you about the price of some nursery trees.  On the other hand, I just pain $35 for a 6 foot tall blueberry bush, already producing.  It will replace one of my nonperforming and sick looking fruit trees.  We have tried many times to grow new blueberry bushes.  I don't know why they don't seem to grow well.  An old one on our property is about 10 feet tall and huge, and it produces a lot.  My guess is some are just small types, and herbivores graze small ones to death.  I do have some small ones fenced in, and seeing what they do too.

Now my back hurts.  First I hurt it picking up Charlie.  Now it's that giant blueberry tree.  I have no common sense some times.

Comment by Randall Smith on June 17, 2017 at 7:07am

Interesting video, Joan. I'm willing to try it because plums, apricots, and nectarines fail most every year, either from no pollination or "worms".

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 17, 2017 at 4:59am

Joan, I smiled while reading the story of your 2 year old great granddaughter, smiling while she helped her relatives pull slash out of the the woods.


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