Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

The Broadfork Chicken MIRACLE

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Oct 8. 4 Replies

What Killed My Chicken - How To Know

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 28. 2 Replies

Polluting Yourself with Leaf Blowers

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 22. 6 Replies

Willow tree

Started by Thomas Murray. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 15. 12 Replies

Front yard gardening. Edible Estates.

Started by Daniel Wachenheim. Last reply by k.h. ky Sep 15. 14 Replies

Archer Strawberry

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 15. 2 Replies

Deer Fence Installed! But Where's the Mulch?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Sep 6. 1 Reply

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on November 24, 2015 at 10:23pm

Frozen persimmons are a great dessert. My auntie used to make a wonderful persimmon pudding for Thanksgiving.

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on November 24, 2015 at 10:14pm

Persimmons - Around here, some of the grocery stores carry fresh Asian persimmons.  They are usually the size of a small apple.  These are "non-astringent" - eaten when firm and crunchy.  If you did that with an astringent persimmon, it would be like a mouthful of talc.

I don't like nonastringent crunchy persimmons.  To me they have an off taste.  I read that all they need to do is ripen, and you can eat them like jelly.

I placed them into a bag of apples.  Apples emit ethylene, which ripens fruit.  After 3 or 4 days, the persimmons were soft, like over ripe tomatoes.  Cut in half and scoop out the flesh with a spoon.  So good - super sweet, like a spiced apricot only much juicier.

Deviled alligator eggs.  The grocery store sold small avocados in an egg carton - like container, calling them alligator eggs.  I cut them in half, scooped them out of their "shell", took out the seed, and filled the center with salsa.  Ning said he wouldn't like it, but he did.  They were like deviled eggs, only green, with red "yolk" instead of egg yolk.

Sometimes it doesn't take much to amuse me.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 23, 2015 at 7:04am

Daniel, I commented on your garden blogspot.

I hand picked a whole bunch of persimmons to be sold at the farmers market by my kids. They sold exactly NONE! Nate said people were totally ignorant about them. How sad. Now I have to grind them into pulp--that is, if he didn't throw them away.

Comment by Plinius on November 23, 2015 at 12:36am

I can hear you counting the days, Daniel! 

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on November 22, 2015 at 4:23pm

Randy, maybe that old barn burned down.  The wood ash could cause alkalinity.  Or the cement.  Or maybe they had piles of lime there for use on the farm.  I guess it doesn't matter - it's alkaline regardless.

First frost today.  Low was 23.  I'm glad it came.  Now I can clean up the borders and vegetable beds.  I wanted to wait for a killing frost.  I don't know why.  Now I have to wait for my next week off work, which is the first week of Jan.  Weather and energy permitting - clear borders and kitchen garden beds.  Clear some more blackberries.  Not too much - last time I overdid it and couldnt function for 2 days.


I found sources for scion for another Purdue-Rutgers-Illiniois disease resistant apple,  Goldrush.  I want to add that to a multigraft, and the old 1700s variety Baldwin, and a couple more.  I like grafting and it isn't physically difficult at all.  Planning ahead for late winter.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 18, 2015 at 7:20am

Yes, Daniel, experience is the best teacher. And experimenting is the only way to go. I always enjoy reading about what you're doing next. Very admirable. Relax now for several weeks.

As far as my garden soil (and I'm repeating myself), I've been told a barn once occupied the very spot the garden sits. To this day, I still pull up stones, rocks, concrete, nails, etc. When I first gardened, nearly 40 years ago, the soil was basically clay. I added a dumptruck full of sand and have enriched the soil with all sorts of organic matter. I finally have about 5-6" of good topsoil. However, it remains alkaline according to Purdue's soil testing (currently, checked by self soil testing). Besides pine needles, I also add sulfur.  The good news is, my garden is fairly productive. Only a few plants don't survive--blueberries, for example.

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on November 17, 2015 at 9:52am

Randy, if I had any energy, I would be collecting the neighbors' leaves right now for compost!  Leaves are my favorite source.

How did your soil wind up alkaline?  Was there a woodfire there, or a lot of lime?  Somehow, I thought Indiana soils would be acidic, but I don't know why I thought that.

Joan, I imagine you puttering in your greenhouse.  The idea makes me happy.

After overdoing it last week with clearing a small area of brush, I'm still tired and aching a week later.  So none of that until I'm off work for a week in early December.

All rainy and chilly now.  We might have had a little frost, but not a big one.  Things are looking goopy and rotten from all of the rain.  It feels overdue for first frost. 

I ordered some new bare-root fruit trees for February planting.  Not necessary to order now, but planning keeps me going.  There is a near-black plum-cherry hybrid (Nadia), a pear that is a hybrid between red Bartlett Pear and an Asian pear (Maxie), an apple from the Purdue-Rutgers-Illinois (PRI) disease-resistant apple breeding program (Winecrisp).   I have their summer apple, Pristine, and the first apples were wonderful.  Most PRI Apples have PRI in their name, Pristine, Priscilla, etc - also in winecRIsP. 

I added another Pawpaw, this one develped by a devoted horticulturalist who specialized in them for decades (Allegheney).  They take 3 or 4 years to fruit, and I think one of my first ones was inappropriate for  this area, too small and late for maritime summers.  Hopeful 2 of the first pawpaw trrees will fruit 2016.

Some replace dead or nonproductive fruit trees from my orchard / food forest.   Two trees were lost to voles eating off all of the bark below ground.  One peach has not fruited in the 7 years I've had it, time to cull.  One or two trees might die due to canker.  Some fruit trees don't live long or are not adapted here, only way to know is to try.  The minidwarf apples turned out to be a bust, nonpruductive, poor quality apples, plus their roots are too shallow for the dry and expected to be dryer summers.    Always learning, and it feels like half of what I thought a couple of years ago seems wrong now.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 17, 2015 at 7:23am
I now have 3 piles of leaves and pine needles in my garden near my compost pile. Come Spring, I'll alternate them with grass clippings and soil. That usually works to make good compost. My garden soil is very alkaline and needs acidic pine needles to lower the pH.
Comment by Joan Denoo on November 15, 2015 at 1:42am

Having a beautiful weekend. I replanted some more lettuce and kale to replace things that are not developing properly in the greenhouse ... too cold, not enough sunlight. The leafy things perform far beyond my expectations.

A very light rain fell today with individual drops that looked like crystals.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 13, 2015 at 7:02am

Always good to hear from you, Spud. How's your health doing nowadays?

With all this wind we've been having, my pears and persimmons are on the ground. That means I'll have to do something with them--sauce and pulp mostly.


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