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Comment by kathy: ky on June 25, 2017 at 12:42pm
Joan, I enjoyed your story about the hollyhock seeds. Every gardener I've ever met has been happy to share their seeds and tips for raising things. Hollyhocks bloom every year in ky.
We had torrential downpours for 48 hours with roads closed due to flooding. Yesterday was beautiful and so is today. Very low humidity with a cool breeze. If my foot wasn't hurting so much I would be out pulling weeds. I'll go out later today and pull a few and check for powdery mildew. I'm taking the small hand sprayers with me. Water, apple cider vinegar and a couple of drops of dishwashing liquid goes a long way as a preventative. We have such a humid climate it's easier to prevent than try to cure. Working such small areas has benefits. But two acres is still a lot of ground to cover.
Comment by kathy: ky on June 25, 2017 at 12:29pm
Thomas, I've tried growing in hay with the same results as Daniel. Poor. I just don't think they get the nutrients that they get from the soil and the moisture varies to much.
My blackberries are large and pretty this year but the birds usually get them. I don't have the time to cover them and there are so few of them it's not worth the trouble.
As for the painting the latest studies I've read say exercise is good for arthritis and could prevent the knee replacements that are so common.
Daniel, when I broke my small toe a couple weeks ago I also broke a bone in the bottom of my foot. Icepacks are a regular treatment in the evening after I've been walking on it during the day. Or,worse, when I have to go to the grocery store. I've on gone once in the last two weeks and the electric carts were all in use.
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 25, 2017 at 12:10pm

Thomas, that is an interesting question; I don't know the answer so I started a search, and the search is not over. 

I did find this: 

"Cancer mortality is higher among men than women (207.9 per 100,000 men and 145.4 per 100,000 women). It is highest in African American men (261.5 per 100,000) and lowest in Asian/Pacific Islander women (91.2 per 100,000). (Based on 2008-2012 deaths.)"

It is highest in African American men (261.5 per 100,000) and lowest in Asian/Pacific Islander women (91.2 per 100,000). (Based on 2008-2012 deaths.)"

lowest in Asian/Pacific Islander women (91.2 per 100,000). (Based on 2008-2012 deaths.)"

No, your question is not inappropriate! This is the place to ask such questions. We may or may not know the answers, and we surely like the search process. 

May I ask what prompted this question? 

Comment by Thomas Murray on June 25, 2017 at 12:00pm

Joan & Daniel,

I hope its not inappropriate question but here goes....

Is cancer indigenous to humans?

My mother in law suffers from chronic attacks of arthritis...the attacks occurs in both her hands. She is a self taught painter and she does portraits, landscape, and flowers.

She wont give up painting.

I remember during our visits to her home that in the mornings she will wrap her hands around a hot curling iron for about 30 minutes , each hand. She refuses medicine.

She is a very strong woman. She is a person I admire and respect very much.

Comment by Randall Smith on June 25, 2017 at 7:17am

I'm pretty fortunate not to have many aches and pains. Arthritis in the thumb joints and an occasional back ache is about all I suffer from. I'm not sure whether to recommend more or less exercise, more or less "resting". I know I'm not one to sit still, and, so far, it seems to work for me.

My garden is looking fairly good. Lots of weeding (hoe and hand) is now necessary. Hopefully, I can soon quit covering my 35 sweet potato vines, canteloupe, and cabbage plants every evening so the rabbits won't eat them.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 25, 2017 at 12:33am

Daniel, working hard offers many benefits, especially as we get older, we have the right to sit down and enjoy the fruits of our labors.  Baked Alaska is not one of the benefits! 

You are on a powerful cancer Rx, Daniel, a new normal becomes painfully clear. There will come a moment in your life, if it hasn't happened already, when you will see yourself as resting more, taking easier projects, and not expecting as much of yourself as you have demanded of yourself in the past, and still see yourself as an incredibly valuable human being. You don't have to prove anything, anymore. 

Your efforts to get through med school, of working in a hostile environment, of being exposed to discrimination for being who you are, all have been strong drivers for you. Now, just lay back, let the younger generation take on the workload, and enjoy your time. 

Just think how many challenges you faced in life! You not only met those tasks, you proved yourself to be the kind of person that makes a difference in lives.   

Soak away, dear friend! 


Comment by Joan Denoo on June 24, 2017 at 8:38pm

P.S. No neck work from a chiropractor or anyone else! The mere thought of cracking my neck sends shivers down my spine. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 24, 2017 at 8:13pm

Spud, I feel the same way about chiropractors as you. Laura and Larry both went to one for help and both were able to find relief. Larry has a badly crippled leg due to polio when he was two years old. He has had a lifetime of misery caused by the different leg lengths that resulted from his shriveled leg. 

I wish people who oppose vaccinations would talk to polio survivors.That was a greatly feared disease when I was young

1953 Salk announces polio vaccine

Laura's work requires she sit at the computer all day and she works very long hours. She has neck and back pain and finds relief from massage and chiropractic. She has never gone to a neurologist.

I went to a neurologist, we went through a battery of tests, they trained me how to do exercises to develop my "core" and to relax. Recent years, although doing the exercises and relaxation techniques I have debilitating back pain.

I took several hard falls, in one I broke my shoulder and some ribs. During that time my balance was so unstable, I used my cane constantly. 

The M.D. offered to cut the nerve as the next procedure. I opted to give chiropractic a try before going that route. 

I will let you know how this progresses. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 24, 2017 at 7:54pm

According to horticulture sources hollyhocks are biennials. 

"Biennial plants are an intermediary form between annuals and perennials. Biennials spend the first year of their lives building rootstocks and storing energy. Usually biennials grow in a flat circular rosette held near the ground for the first year."

https://www.hunker.com › ... › Plants, Flowers & Herbs › Growing Flowers
My grandmothers scattered mature seeds in their alleyways in Tekoa, WA. It "prettied up" a rather unsightly back yard. 
When I was in Turkey, I tried to gather seeds from immature seed pods. A man ran up to me, slapped my hands and forced the seeds out of my hands. He turned and ran from me and I tried to imagine what protocol I had violated when he suddenly returned carrying a whole plastic bag of ripe hollyhock seeds. He proceded to instruct, in Turkish, how to plant them, water them, and care for them. He did all this using sign language. He clearly was happy to share seeds with me. 
I still have Turkish seed descendants growing in my Spokane home. I plan to get ripe seeds this fall and scatter them at my new home. 
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 24, 2017 at 7:15pm

I don't know how you did so much since retiring, Daniel, and without so much as a moan. I know what you mean about backs and knees! We have glorious memories of working daylight until dusk with nary a complaint. Those days passed me long ago. I am grateful for the couple of hours I spend outside in the morning; I am also appreciative of the nap through the hot part of the day. 

You designed your garden so that you can get one of those wonderful chairs with a footrest, table, and a safe place to put a cool drink. You earned a summer of sitting and watching things grow and observing the critters that go unseen while working so hard. 

Persimmons have the perfect color of yellow for a garden. Looking at it feels like looking at a popsicle. 


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