Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

An Herb Garden for Chickens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Aug 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture Chickens Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 30. 1 Reply

Using Chickens in a Food Forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 17. 15 Replies

Crisis garden annuals

Started by Larry Martin. Last reply by Larry Martin Jul 11. 4 Replies

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Comment by Plinius on August 10, 2015 at 1:08am

Not many insects here, apart from the invasion of banana flies in my kitchen. How they breed! Guessing from the numbers, I think about six generations in an evening.

Comment by k.h. ky on August 10, 2015 at 1:06am
Those vicious biting insects make me look forward to fall. I was out for twenty minutes one evening without covering my self in deep woods repellent and came in with about twenty chiggers buried iunder the backs of the legs. It took a week or so for the itching to stop.
The damned bugs love me!
Comment by Daniel W on August 9, 2015 at 1:14pm

I'm not a fan of humid midwest insects either.  I'm glad I don't have them here.  We do have a lot of fleas, courtesy of deer herds.  They are not as bad as those midwest insects.  When I was small, I was usually covered with welts from the insects on my skin.

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 9, 2015 at 12:54pm

Randy, those insects are why I appreciate a dry climate.  I can't stand them.

Have you tried a net over your head?

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 9, 2015 at 12:51pm

I've never hear Blackberry Boogie either. 

Mine have started ripening the last few days, and taste better than they did last year.  Not overly tart.   My new Darrow Blackberry that I planted this year is slow growing, but looks like it will survive.  It's a thorny kind that's supposed to taste better than thornless.  I suspect that's true.  That's why I bought it.  We'll see.

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 9, 2015 at 11:35am

Randy, insects and sweat just don't mix. When I lived in Washington DC, the insects were so bad and the humidity so high, people built screened in porches. Washington DC and Texas had chiggers. Alaska was about as buggy a place as I have ever lived. Texas had damnable horse flies that hurt. We have mosquitos, gnats, and house flies, but they are not so vicious here. The yellow jackets dash in for a direct hit every once in a while. I've had a couple of stings this summer. I have Black Widow spiders in my home and garden and have a spray company spray for them. We also have ticks in the forest. 

Remedy? I do what you probably do, hang yellow jacket traps and fly strips, eat garlic, don't wear bright colors and odorless deodorant, put out sticky pads that catch more beetles than anything else. Keep the place as cleaned up as possible and empty standing water. Keep a supply of those sticks to use for bee stings around the garden. Clean a serious bite and put an ice pack on it. Keep the skin covered, tie pant legs and sleeves around ankles and wrists.

Botanical remedies: lemongrass oil, thyme, citronella, clove oil, para-methane 3-8, diol (PMD) from the Australian lemon eucalyptus, picaridin, treat clothing with permethrin, 

These are the things I did when my children are growing. There is information available now about the toxicity of some of these remedies. So, I Googled for botanical remedies and found: 

How to Prevent and Treat Insect Bites Without Harsh Chemicals

I exhausted my remedies. If you or anyone else has others, please let me know. 

around the garden

Comment by Randall Smith on August 9, 2015 at 6:56am
Daniel, I thought I'd heard it all. Blackberry Boogie is a new one for me. Loved it!
I've been trying to weed my garden, especially strawberries, but the insects drive me out. Mosquitoes, gnats, deer flies, sweat bees, and regular flies are among the culprits. I've tried Deet, citronella, even garlic. Nothing works. Guess I'll just have to wait for winter weather to kill the weeds.
Comment by Joan Denoo on August 8, 2015 at 11:57pm

Daniel, Blackberry Boogie got me dancin' with my toes. 

Randy,  Vine borer worms devastated my squash plants from Alaska to WA. state, to Texax and to Washington, D.C. How can one little species of butterfly do so much damage in so many places? I have concluded the only way to gain control is in prevention processes. 

1. Mosaic viruses: plant resistant varieties; cover plants with floating row covers. 

2. Squash Vine Borers: start plants early, indoors; don't plant squash in same ground each year, rotate with other plants; import parasitic wasps; use floating row covers; harvest crop and destroy vines, I don't add them to my compost heap.

 Vine borer worms

Comment by Daniel W on August 8, 2015 at 9:53pm

It's Blackberry Pickin' Time around here

Singer iz Suzi Arden
Thumbs Carlille on the Stratocaster
Comment by Daniel W on August 8, 2015 at 11:12am
Spud, looks like you will have some good squash.

I just started growing more types last year. Now squash is a big favorite for me. No wonder they were a major Native American food.

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