Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 8:55pm

@k.h. ky. Kathy if I were to take a wild guess, It would be that you will be in an area of "drought removal" and the ancient Ouachita Trough, roughly that area of green and light green from KY into MO, will be an area of "drought removal likely". The green and light green seem to have the most promise for drought relief. Let me know if I am any good at guesswork.


Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 8:35pm

Drought outlook 2015

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 8:17pm

Spud, I like you ideas! I love bamboo shoots if they are fresh. An Asian grocery or restaurant might be able to advise how to use them and may even give you a sample. 

Bamboo becomes a fine wood product, now that we have cut down so many of our hardwood forests. I use bamboo utensils in my kitchen all the time and they don't seem to wear out. 

I like the idea of a cactus fence too. A most formidable barrier with beautiful flowers. I saw ocotillo fences when we lived in El Paso. 

Many of the homes I visited in Juarez were made of ocotillo, just as we would build with siding. 

cactus fences


Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 7:58pm

Daniel, you had a bout with that Rx before if I remember correctly. Things like that happen so fast, you have no way to prepare or prevent them. Is your respiratory tract and esophagus back to normal?  I assume you had a shingles shot; does that make a difference in severity? 

I can't read, either, when I am down. It seems that you need to get into the garden and closer to nature during those times as well. But your down was physical fatigue, much different than emotional fatigue. Whatever! They both offer challenges difficult to overcome quickly. The advantages you and I have are our outstanding support group. 

Do you have access to a heat source in your sunroom? You may not need it. I like to imagine you sitting out there with a light drizzle coming down to calm nerves and soothe your weary soul and you recuperate your strength. 

I looked up limnanthus douglasii poached egg plant , it looks so refreshing. Aside from attracting bees and butterflies, it also self-sows. Exactly what I want for my east border. 

You mentioned getting a rugosa rose. When I lived in Alaska, the natives grew them, gathered the rosehips and made the most delicious rosehip jam. Very high in Vit. C as I remember. 

Comment by Daniel W on March 15, 2015 at 4:25pm

Spud, it's probably something dysfunctional from my upbringing.  On the farm I don't remember ever sitting still.

I was thinking, cactus would be a good idea for you.  There is also rugosa rose, which takes more room but the fruits can be used for jelly.  When I was a kid, we had something called "osage orange" or "hedgeapple". which had formidable thorns.  Probably way too big.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 4:23pm

My front yard, one side yard, and one curb area has chain-link which lets-in the sun while keeping-out dogs and cats.  The back fence and one side fence are wood, which cats love to climb, so feces is a problem for me also.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 4:19pm

Ambition, thy name is Daniel W.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 4:15pm

Oh, I just noticed the cactus fence.  That would be good to grow in a dry climate like St. George Utah, and should keep-out most dogs and cats.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 4:13pm

The willow and bamboo fences look like good ideas.  I've always wanted to grow bamboo, as I could use it build things, as well as eat.  That is, if I like young bamboo shoots.  I've never tasted them.

Comment by Daniel W on March 15, 2015 at 4:11pm


To be honest, at the moment I feel so wasted and fatigued I can barely move. 

If there is an especially hard day at work, it can take several days for me to recover.  Last week I aspirated my oral chemo, which was torture, coughed up blood, wednesday developed sciatica - likely from coughing up the oral chemo - and then thursday developed shingles.  Friday was a 12-hour work day, with no breaks for rest or meal, and a fair amount of abusive people to deal with.  Most of my weeks are NOT that bad, but this week was kind of a bummer.

So, sat am I could sit around and mope - which does no good, or drink - not me, or make use of now-decriminalized plant-derived-substances  - which I'm sure I would hate, or watch TV, which I know I would hate.  Reading is always good, but I can't think of anything I want to read at the moment.  I've taken up sewing, but that takes more precision than I can accomplish right now.

So -

I shoveled wood chips around a number of fruit trees and some shrubs, now they have big mulched area that should stay weed free this year.  Then pruned a wild grapevine back to civilized form, and other grapevines on arbor back to their bound.  Then puttered around the yard until it was raining too hard to do anything else.  On the deck, under shelter, I grafted together a little apple tree, using my neighbors' tree which overhangs a privacy fence into my yard, could have great apples if cared for, and using for root stock a small tree that I grew by cutting off root suckers from another dwarf tree, and growing them for a year.  Then I planted a batch of "meadow foam" also called "Poached egg flower" (Limnanthes douglasii) for bee forage, in a spot that had been prepared for crimson clover which the rabbits ate.

Today I did homework, and at the moment have given up all else to rest and maybe now will read.

Actually, ordering the trees happened in Nov and Dec, helps me daydream.  The locations were prepared during the winter, the ground soft and easily dug.

Your garden design sounds perfect.  More thoughtful than mine which is hodge podge.  Pesky animals, we have neighbor cats who come over with gifts of feces.  I hope they are also eating mice and voles.


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