Godless in the garden

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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  

 

Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits

Folklore.

Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.
Squirrels.

Synergies.

Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Fruit Pests: Apricot

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo on Sunday. 3 Replies

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 24. 1 Reply

Change, the only constant

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 16. 4 Replies

Change, the only constant

Started by Joan Denoo Jun 15. 0 Replies

Favorite Flowers

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Randall Smith Jun 8. 8 Replies

The Evolution of Ecological Consciousness

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 4. 1 Reply

Living in the forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 27. 6 Replies

Good plants that volunteer.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 25. 17 Replies

Air-pots

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W May 2. 2 Replies

Air-pots

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 2. 1 Reply

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Comment by Joan Denoo on December 20, 2014 at 11:07am

Daniel, thanks for the link. It is worth a try. 

Also, thank you for your work to mak files available easily. I hate to load you with more work, but I want to post on your garden page ... the title, "Godless in the Garden" suits me well.

It is amazing how much material flows to us now about permaculture. I'm sorting by author, generally. If there is another way you want me to do it, I will happily comply.  

Comment by Daniel W on December 20, 2014 at 10:43am

I went through topics back to early 2012 and re-indexed them.  Links are above in the Welcome box.  So many people have posted such great topics and discussions, this reminded me of how  interesting and useful it is to go back and re-read some.  If you have a topic that I have not indexed, and want me to, please let me know!

Comment by Daniel W on December 20, 2014 at 9:50am

Joan,


Not quite Spokane but here is a link that mentions American persimmons for N Central WA.

I think they would survive and grow there.  They have a deep tap root, so need to be transplanted when small.  I saw some larger ones at a local nursery here, but I don't know how they accomplished that.  The varieties that bear fruit without a male pollinator are Yates, Meader, and Prok.  And a few others.  Fall foliage is beautiful.  I like them partly because they are such an "American" tree, unique and predating the Euro invasion, also like pawpaws, and a tree that was apparently spread by now extinct megafauna.

I''m blathering...  better get some breakfast!  Have a great day!

Comment by Daniel W on December 20, 2014 at 9:39am

Joan, excellent video!

The comments on the dust bowl led me to recall, I read N American soil blew as far as Europe, and in other readings I've read that African soil has blown to Brazil, and recently China soil reaches USA.  Unfortunately, I imagine most is lost to the ocean depths.

Like you, I take pride in actively building the soil in my little pocket of the world.  I wish I could talk to the neighbors - in countryside, they constantly burn their grass clippings and leaves.  Maybe after I retire.

Much of farming has become almost like a form of hydroponics, with no attention to maintaining that rich living and life giving matrix. 

On the polyploidy question - there are plants we use with abnormal chromosome numbers, so it's an interesting question.  Most bearded irises and daylilies are tetraploid.  Some apple varieties are triploid - Jonagold is one, I forget others. 


Not meaning to get away from your topic - it's fascinating and important! And inspires me to continue building soil in my little corner of heaven!
Comment by Joan Denoo on December 19, 2014 at 10:00am

Comment by Randall Smith on December 19, 2014 at 9:55am

Yes, I've always been a Jefferson admirer. And who isn't without a fault or two?!

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 18, 2014 at 8:32pm

According to "Edible Landscaping",  "The American persimmon (D. virginiana) is a faster growing, larger tree that's hardy to USDA zone 5." So, there is a possibility I could succeed with one here. I have a spot that needs filling. I will chat with my Extention Agent when I get a chance. 

Daniel, I like the Jefferson quote. I went to The Republic, Volume 3 By John Robert Irelan site and read a little more of Jefferson's quote.  

I am intrigued by the man, Jefferson, his devotion to the creation of a new republic based on human freedom, even as he owned slaves. I read of his attempts to get a wine growing enterprise going in a new country, even as he neglected the many grape cuttings sent to him from Europe and the Americas. 

Comment by Daniel W on December 18, 2014 at 5:56pm

"I have often thought that if heaven had given me choice of my position and calling, it should have been on a rich spot of earth, well watered, and near a good market for the productions of the garden. No occupation is so delightful to me as the culture of the earth, and no culture comparable to that of the garden. Such a variety of subjects, some one always coming to perfection, the failure of one thing repaired by the success of another, and instead of one harvest a continued one through the year." --- Thomas Jefferson (August 20, 1811, to Charles W. Peale)

Comment by Daniel W on December 18, 2014 at 9:19am
Randy, my Asian and hybrid persimmon trees are settled in nicely. It might be the rootstock that determines success with transplanting. I read American persimmons - Diospyros virginiana - have few fibrous roots, and they don't regenerate well, so they are difficult to transplant. Similar for Asian, Diospyros kaki. Mine are on a different species - Diospyros lotus - which is more fibrous snd transplants easier, but not as hardy.

Starks has several that are reported on many websites as not needing a male - parthenocarpic. One, Yates, is from Indiana. Others are from collectors and research programs. Meader is self- fruitful but occassionally has male flowers. Some kaki do that too.

I like what you did best of all. Growing from seed. that really is great! But at 60, and having cancer, I dont want to wait 10 years. Might never see them bear. I have to be realistic. Better chance with the 3 to 5 years to bear for the named types. Of course it's always a gamble.

The Starks persimmons are tiny - 1 to 2 foot tall. They are in air pots - bottomless pots that supposedly have bushier roots due to "air pruning" of the root tips. They claim they transplant easier. I imagine they are on D. virginiana roots, being from Missouri. One to 2 foot tall... That really is tiny. But my figs start out as cuttings, smaller, so I suppose it's possible.
Comment by Randall Smith on December 18, 2014 at 7:45am

Daniel, not only are the persimmons delicious to eat, the tree itself is magnificent--and you don't have to prune it (self pruning from heavy persimmon loaded branches). I have to say, however, only about one in two persimmons have been edible this year. I've had to spit out (with a "yuck") many of them. I hate when that happens. The tree is still loaded this late in the season.

Good luck in finding an American persimmon. Furthermore, lots of luck in getting them to grow. I tried twice (catalogue trees) and failed. That's when I started them from my own seeds.

As far as pawpaws ("Indiana banana)", I can live without them.

 

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