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Comment by kathy: ky on June 16, 2017 at 4:17pm
Thomas, a hundred dollars for a three foot paw paw sounds crazy. In ky we can go out and dig a seedling up. The most I've ever paid for a tree was seventy dollars for a four foot Japanese maple. That was about twelve or fourteen years ago. It thrived for two years. I lost it to disease during a long wet spring. KY is so humid anymore we are now a sub tropical climate.
Daniel, the photos are very nice. Your plant are doing very well.
We've had terrible heat and humidity but today is lovely. I'm just sitting on the front porch enjoying the breeze. I broke my small toe about a week ago and it limits any yard work. It will heal. Broken toes seem to be a theme in life :)
It could always be worse.
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 16, 2017 at 4:06pm

Randy, during my cancer treatment year, 2013, I spent the entire summer sitting in my garden, watching the squirrels, mice, birds, chipmunks nibbling away at the plants. I rather enjoyed watching the squirrels scamper up the arborvitae, biting off branches and toting them off to build their nests. They left big patches of bare spots in the shrubs, but I didn't care because they entertained me. The mice ran up the sunflowers to the very far end of branches, snipped off the huge seed heads and then scurried down to nibble on them on the ground, leaving a scattered pile of sunflower shells behind.

Strange, during my healthy seasons I would have chased them away from such activity, but they provided me many hours of pleasure as I watched their industry. 

Today's weather is a typical spring day, huge downpours of rain and hail followed by beautiful sunny weather, then another cloud passes over with more drenching rain. There is a cold breeze. 

Oh! Oh!, here comes another downpour. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 16, 2017 at 3:43pm

An Abundant Fruit Bearing Dwarf Tree You Should Consider Growing!

This gardener put two dwarf trees in one hole and explained his rationale. 

Comment by Randall Smith on June 16, 2017 at 6:34am

Thomas, "garden giddyness" is normal for members of this group! So is frustration. Good luck with your endeavours. By the way, I've tasted pawpaws and didn't especially like them. We call them "Indiana bananas". 

We finally got some rain--over an inch. Everything perked up grandly. I've planted more melons and sweet potato plants (35 total). My sugar pod peas are tasting delicious as are red raspberries. I have a chipmunk family living in my black raspberry patch and are feasting on the ripening berries. Grrr.

Have a good gardening weekend, all.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 15, 2017 at 2:38pm

Daniel, your Dad's tree provides a lovely shape,  tall, straight, and majestic. I am glad you were able to get the scion growing.

I planted a seaberry but didn't provide a mate in my Spokane garden several years ago. The plant grew into a lovely shrub, with a beautiful shape, and I especially liked the color! It began to spread by roots, growing into a big part of my meditation garden. I think it would have killed out other shrubs if I had let it go. I finally cut it down, dug out all the roots, and saved the integrity of the lilacs growing nearby. I would gladly have let it spread, with some root-cropping, if I had more space. I do have space for a pair here at L&L gardens.  However we are busy clearing out the forest for forest fire management, I will be dead and turned to dust before they will be putting in any trees or shrubs. 

We have another day of cold, wet weather, which, under normal circumstances increases the risk of forest fires in the autumn and a threat to this home deep in the woods. Even my two-year-old great-granddaughter helps in pulling slash out of the woods. She is so happy to be toiling beside her mom and dad, cousins, aunt, and uncle and she smiles the whole time the project occurs. She is not a slave laborer! 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 15, 2017 at 2:13pm

Thomas, it sounds as though think of planting a small grove of these three trees. 

I did grove planting in my garden because I was limited to 50' x 100'. I had already figured out the sun patterns, both summer and winter, and created a path of sunlight where I had all trees cut down. It left a narrow patch about 50' x 50' to grow my vegetables, but I had maximum sun and also had the trees I wanted. I was able to feed my family from that space. I canned, froze, dried, and fermented produce so we could eat all winter long from that season's crop. I also had a huge compost in a shady part of the garden. It was taller than my 5', was 4' deep, and 12' long. A major task each spring was sifting and spreading the compost. 

After my three children were grown and gone, I took out the vegetable space and planted trees, shrubs, and vegetables as ornamentals. I was the only one eating off the space and had more than enough sun to get fruits and vegetables. 

My back yard July 20, 2014

My garden began to go downhill in 2013 when I spent a year fights against cancer, as did Daniel. His gardens grew even finer since then; mine did not. 

Comment by Daniel W on June 15, 2017 at 2:11pm

Joan, interesting permaculture related video.  I was intrigued by the seaberries.  I've seen them in catalogs.  We have space for a few more shrubs, although I don't want to plant more expensive deer food.  Maybe I'll put them on my list next year.  Also, they are need both male and female plants, so the investment is more.

Randy, I only take photos of the parts that I like :-)  there are lots of weedy areas.  My persimmon flowers are not open yet, and it's still chilly and rainy.  Next week?

Rainy and chilly today, and having more pains.  I'm taking a break today.

Photo is the first ginkgo tree that I've been able to grow by grafting scion from a desired tree, a male that grew from seeds by late dad had collected 20 years ago, to rootstock grown from locally collected seeds.  Of three attempts, this is my sole success.  Fortunately, it is thriving, and all of the growth is the scion from my dad's tree.  The photo below that is the tree that provided the scion.

Comment by Daniel W on June 15, 2017 at 1:49pm

Thomas,

Your ambitions sound very interesting!  Keep us posted!
I have been trying to grow pawpaws (Asimina triloba) for 5 years.  You have to start small, because they don't transplant well.  I have 2 trees that are over 7 foot tall, bloomed for past 3 years, but no fruits yet.  There is a learning curve with them, and I don't know if the climate is the main issue for me.

With co-planting trees in the same hole, you need to consider vigor.  That can be hard to know, so you just do your best.

I have many multigraft fruit trees.  there is a similar issue, sometimes one variety will dominate, although that can be pruned back.  A good thing, if one doesn't prosper or is not good, it can be pruned off and you still have the others on the tree.  Multigrafts can also be good for pollination.

Good luck!

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 14, 2017 at 4:45pm

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Comment by Thomas Murray on June 13, 2017 at 2:05pm

Planting fruit trees..

I've been reading several books on the care & varieties of fruit trees. I have two trees ready to be planted...an apple and pear ( I need to get one more)

Of course there are a variety methods to follow and in this particular case I am trying to decide the best planting method for my area. I do have 2.5 acres to plant these trees but limited to maximizing the sunlight hours. Surrounding our home are tall trees and most of them are tall as ten story buildings. These trees block most of the early morning and late afternoon sun. On top of that we will eventually plant some grapes, blueberries, raspberries too.

Having an orchard suggests to plant fruit trees between 10 to 15 feet apart, depending on the tree size i.e. dwarf, semi-dwarf, and regular.

I want to maximize my options (and I am giddy as a school boy)...one intriguing idea is to cluster three trees on a single mound. The trees are 18 inches from each other, and can be of different types. The pruning required is that it must be a V shaped funnel at the center of the three trees.

I supposed I could graft three trees to a single trunk but I do not have any established trees yet and it seems soo....frankensteinish.... Next will be our attempt to plant Asimina triloba, Paw Paw trees and I understand they taste interesting. A three footer cost around $100.00.

 

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