Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

The Broadfork Chicken MIRACLE

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Oct 8. 4 Replies

What Killed My Chicken - How To Know

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 28. 2 Replies

Polluting Yourself with Leaf Blowers

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 22. 6 Replies

Willow tree

Started by Thomas Murray. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 15. 12 Replies

Front yard gardening. Edible Estates.

Started by Daniel Wachenheim. Last reply by k.h. ky Sep 15. 14 Replies

Archer Strawberry

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 15. 2 Replies

Deer Fence Installed! But Where's the Mulch?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Sep 6. 1 Reply

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

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Comment by Barbara Livingston on July 18, 2015 at 12:07am

Ahhh, Joan sounds wonderful. I'm happy that you are getting to enjoy the little ones. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 17, 2015 at 11:52pm

I spent the morning in the Generations Garden pulling weeds, with my five great-grandkids, talking about the meaning of words, why the cats like this garden for their poop and pee, how to kill thistles, whose turn to use the water-weeding tool, and stuff like that. I had an absolutely wonderful time and I think they did, too. 
A cherry tree is dying and I showed them how to cut out the dead wood and protect the living wood. Hopefully, we can save it.

The oldest one wants to pan for gold. I panned while living in Alaska, and my grandfather had a gold mine where my Dad and uncles helped him. Granddad had a ball mill stone crusher at his gold mine on the Salmon River near Lucile, Idaho. He also used a gold ore sluice box

Lots of new information exchanged between our generations. A sweet memory for me and hopefully for them. 


Comment by Idaho Spud on July 17, 2015 at 2:22pm

After the warm May, and hot June, July is disappointing me.  My Watermelon are probably not liking 80˚ F highs and 55˚ F lows, with dark clouds part of the day.

Comment by Randall Smith on July 17, 2015 at 10:05am

Looks like we're all experiencing extra heat. It really is too hot to be working in the garden  But if not, the weeds will take over.

Everything is coming on fast and strong, vegetable wise. Asparagus season is over, just in time for green beans, sweet corn, cabbage, new potatoes, summer squash, and oh, tomatoes!  Bring them on!

Comment by Barbara Livingston on July 17, 2015 at 8:58am

Wow, inspirational cabbage. :) 

Comment by Plinius on July 17, 2015 at 6:59am

Beautiful cabbage! I've messed up my plans for 50/50 vegetable/flower garden. On the market I bought cheese, fruit and fish and stopped  to smell the phloxes at the flower stall... So I came home with three big phloxes! The fragrance makes me happy.

Comment by Idaho Spud on July 17, 2015 at 5:38am

Wow!  What a cabbage.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 17, 2015 at 1:44am

Ning has every right to be pleased wth his success. That is a marvelous head. Nice and firm, good color, and I suspect the flavor will be nice and sprightly. 

Yes, we have many farms nearby and many of the firefighters in Dist 8 are farmers. They all offer to deliver the nice rich stuff of cow, horse, goat, rabbit and chicken poop. They also offer their years of experience raising gardens on this sand. Some have not realized how their farming techniques have depleted the soils and others of the group realize that the only way they can grow is to pour on chemical fertilizers. They are becoming acquainted with permaculture and Hugelkultur. We feel like pioneers of a new technology that is as old as humans. 


Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on July 16, 2015 at 9:54pm

Ning picked his first cabbage today.  He was quite pleased with his success.

Joan, I know your experience and education will bring your new garden into optimum fertility.  It will just take applying what you know. 

Are there farms in your area?  My corner of the county has a number of chicken / egg farms.  We can get truckloads of chicken manure, and straw.  Together I think those are a good soil builder.

On milkweed, this year I started a number of Asclepias syriaca seeds.  They needed to be stratified in the refrigerator for a month or two, then sprouted in my seed starting stand.  A lot of effort for something that is a weed in the Midwest.  The flower balls are very pretty, I think, and the plants look kind of like a rubber tree plant.  I wanted to grow them for bees and butterflies.  I saved one in a container, that I fed with miracle grow, very diluted but frequent - 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of water, weekly.  The others just went between the corn and squash and fig trees.   The one in the container grew much faster, thicker leaves, and taller.  It's now in the ground too.  Too much to water in containers.  I doubt any will bloom this year, but making a good start to next year.

I did the same thing with Eupatorium purpureum, but managed to kill all but one of the sprouts.  Joe pye weed, also for the bees and butterflies.  That one is growing robustly, now, and I planted into the ground too.  That one, too, probably wont bloom until next year.

Barbara, I've read a lot about comfrey - sounds interesting.  I would also try Texas milkweed, but I wonder if they would survive here.

Spud, I've eaten grocery store figs too.  They aren't even similar in flavor to a fully ripe, fresh fig off the tree. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on July 16, 2015 at 8:30am

Joan, I've come to the conclusion that milkweed does not like to be fussed over. Just a little water, and since I didn't add anything but mushroom compost I can't say whether fertilizer or a different kind of compost would be a benefit. Maybe the plant survived in spite of me. I can't say.  

I planted six Russian Comfrey on a very cold day in December and it is growing nicely.  According to the instructions you don't harvest any leaves the first year. However, I think given my climate it is growing happily and I intend to trim off some of the leaves today, chop them up a little and begin put them around my beds as a source of nitrogen. They have an interesting purple flower that looks a bit like borage. 

Your efforts to improve your sandy soil is great. I decided to grow the Comfrey as an inexpensive way to add nutrients.The jury is still out on whether it will work. 


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