Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 175
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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Randall Smith on October 8, 2015 at 7:32am
Spud, my watermelons were no bigger than a softball. But they tasted good, albeit seedy. Love your story.
Comment by Idaho Spud on October 7, 2015 at 11:50am

No frost here yet, and my garden is still lush.  The tomatoes have endured 40°F and still producing. 

My squash have covered the back yard, including the lumber piles and fences.  In fact, they have went down the other side of the fence and are starting to cover my neighbor's yard.  Only the weedy part, so she shouldn't care.

So far, I've eaten a couple of watermelon that tasted good, but still not as good as I remember the ones I ate as a youngster.  After 3 years of trying watermelon, and being disappointed, I'm starting to think it may just be by old taste buds & nose that are letting me down, taste-wise.

I've had one or two watermelon stolen that were on the alley side of the fence, but I'm not upset because I expected it.  They are just too tempting out there where people walk by all the time.  The first year, I covered the ones on the other side of the fence with multicolored green cloth to hide them, but didn't bother this year.  No big deal, especially because none of them were ripe, so whoever took them were disappointed. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 7, 2015 at 11:31am

Chris, I'm sorry your partner has to work with such uncaring people.  I second your thought about extinction.

Comment by Randall Smith on October 7, 2015 at 7:22am
Joan, your comments were full of good stuff. You're such a caring person.
Comment by Joan Denoo on October 7, 2015 at 5:40am

Daniel, I hope you are feeling better! 

Comment by Plinius on October 7, 2015 at 4:55am

Thanks, Joan. We have some help and know how to carry on, but I'm deeply hurt by the repetiveness of this situation. Some people like my partner bear detectable scars of childhood maltreatment, and a lot of so-called grownup people think it's funny to target the same spot again and again. On some days I'd feel very happy if the lot got extinct!

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 7, 2015 at 3:36am

Chris, I am so sorry to learn of your husband's illness and stressors at work. It must be very hard for you to be witness to his situation. Hopefully, he will be able to rest and recuperate enough to regain his vigor. Is depression and anxiety part of his condition? If so, there is help readily available, both in therapy and mild medications. I hope he is willing to seek help from these sources. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 7, 2015 at 3:29am

Randy, you are in for a treat during your train ride. I will be thinking about you as you cross through valleys, over mountain passes, and along river gorges. There are very long stretches of flat country, and when you get to the Rockies, you will see some spectacular scenes. Spokane is west of the Rockies and a beautiful area with much history, geology, remnants of the Great Ice Age, volcanic outcroppings and across the flat fields of central Washington. I wish I were in Spokane when the train passes through, however, I am 50 miles north, in a small farming, lumbering and mining town of Newport. The Portland/Vancouver area has some spectacular views of the Cascade Range. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 7, 2015 at 3:14am

Daniel, Larry said the apple tree had four different grafts on it, however, the apples tasted like Granny Smith. The skins are badly mottled, probably with fungus, but only the skins. I did not find one worm in the whole batch. The deer took some big nibbles of branches before Larry put pig-fencing up. 

Larry bought an apple peeler and it is a great help in peeling the two boxes of apples the kids picked off that young tree. 

Two coyotes were in the clover field the other day and Dominic chased them off. Larry thinks they were wolf pups because they were so bushy, and acted like young wolves. Travis tracked them and believes they were coyotes.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 7, 2015 at 3:00am

I planted the first seeds in the greenhouse on Sept. 8 and we had our first salad on Oct 4 and again tonight. Lovely flavors, mild and some spicy. The spinach is especially nice. I cut it just before serving dinner and make a lemon/olive oil dressing with a few herbs and spices. I don't want to overpower the new greens. So far, they have been delicious. I thought I planted bush beans and it appears they are viney ones. One side of the greenhouse has many bean plants climbing up the wall and falling over on each other. So far, no blossoms. I'll try again in the spring. Radishes of several kinds, many varieties of lettuce, grow quickly and taste good. The kale, carrots, beets have lovely growth and so far, they are not mature enough to eat. I'll thin the beets tomorrow and cook the greens. Cabbages look beautiful, especially the Bok Choy.

Sorry, I have no photos to send. I have been unable to send photos since I upgraded. Laura, Larry, or Michelle will help me when they have time. 

Laura takes care of everybody and we all depend on her for assistance. She carries the load very graciously, tending to her business, doing Larry's accounting for his business, helping with her grandkids when Michelle and Laurie need help. She is available for me whenever I ask her and she sometimes helps me when I don't ask. When a fire call comes in, she is often the first to respond. She is one remarkable lady. 


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