Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Idaho Spud on November 19, 2016 at 12:58pm

I like the garden song, except where he asks someone to bless these seeds and prays.

I have a DVD where John Denver sings the song while the garden plants are  animated.  It's on the Muppet Show.

Comment by Daniel W on November 19, 2016 at 10:45am

Spud,here is a blog with more information about the method and the author of the books.  I used to think I knew how to plant trees.  I  the past 5 years or so, that changed completely.  Fortunately, I did remove circling roots from the shade trees I planted 4 years ago, but not as thorough as now.

On my family''s farm in MIssouri, we got bundles of pine trees from the state dept of conversation to plant in the heavily eroded farm land.  They instructed us to just cut into the soil with a shovel, stick the tree roots into the hole, then stomp on the soil to firm it.  Despite being a drastic rough method, about half survived and grew over the years into a pine forest.  Those trees were bare root  about 18 inches tall, so not what we're talking about here.

Joan, I love that Louis Armstrong piece!  I'll add this one

Randy, you probably thought of this, but can you put in some raised beds and bring in more acidic soil for the blueberries? I have them, my soil is very acidic, but if Im not diligent about protection the deer eat the bushes.

Spud, our coldest winter ever got down to about 9, which killed off my Eucalyptus and some cacti. The bamboos survived. We have timber bamboo, and a more colorful pole bamboo Phylostachys aureosulcata. Chickes like exploring in the thicket.  We use it a lot for poles. I want to do other projects but I don't know what.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 19, 2016 at 7:56am

Getting my garden "winterized" by spreading compost, pine needles, and leaves all over. Since the soil is highly alkaline, needles add acid. Little wonder I can't seem to grow blueberry bushes. I don't really have an erosion problem, but the leaf covering does protect the soil. Earthworms like it, too.

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 18, 2016 at 12:19pm

Daniel, reading your Growing Greener blog encouraged me to try that method of planting trees, the next time.

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 18, 2016 at 11:40am

When I had a little more land (one-ninth of an acre), I planted some bamboo that was supposed to be tolerant to -30° F, which was the low temperatures some years.  

I was going to use it for garden stakes, building material, and food, but it never grew.

If I get a place with a little more land again, I'll try it again.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 18, 2016 at 2:30am
Comment by Daniel W on November 18, 2016 at 12:22am

Joan, I feel that way too.  The elms and chestnuts are past, so I wonder what kinds of big trees we can grow for a changing world?  Maybe we will wind up with forests of eucalyptus in warmed areas, and ginkgos or metasequoias in temperate zones.  Each yard can be an experiment for the future.  Down the road, a family grows hardy bananas.  They dont fruit, but how odd looking here.  maybe we'll see bamboo forests.  It grows well here too, and windmill palms.  The world is full of species to try and play with.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 17, 2016 at 11:42pm

Dawn Redwood, Metasequoia glipistroboides is a beautiful tree. It should do well in your climate. The tree trunks develop interesting patterns if not limbed up while they are young. At least that is my understanding. Thought extinct, the Dawn Redwood has a long history that stretches back into the Age of Dinosaurs. The last Ice Age wiped out all known groves. A small grove was found in China during WW II and then after the war, seeds were distributed worldwide  There is an extraordinary specimen in front of Yale Peabody Museum of Natural History

The favorite picture I have of that ancient species is 

It will be a good companion with your ginkgo biloba tree that was also thought extinct. Ginkgo is found in fossils dating back 270 million years. 

You will have an ancient grove of splendid trees. What a great legacy you leave. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 17, 2016 at 8:06pm

Spud, with 3 inches of concrete, you have a great start at a heat sink for your plants!  Or a passive solar collector for a greenhouse!  My figs are against a south wall, but it's wooden so not much heat retention.

Sometimes I channel my emotions by planting a tree.  I've been struggling with my elderly doggies' struggles, but they remain comfortable and happy - looking.  I decided to plant a tree as their memorial, as well as because I love planting trees, it makes me feel better.

This was the choice, which I mentioned before.  Dawn Redwood, Metasequoia glipistroboides.  By coincidence, Portland Nursery got in a shipment of conifers last week.  I used the method detailed by Linda Chalker-Scott, washed off all of the existing soil, pruned off potentially girdling roots - minimal but not zero.  If it grows, which I think it should, it could become a very beautiful tree.  They grow fast, 3 feet a year once established.

It's hard to see, but the tree is about 8 feet tall, to near the top of the pic.  Ning is 5'10.

I still find it incredible that a tree can have so few roots and survive, let alone thrive.  But this is how most of them start out from the nursery, and so far I've only lost one, a madrone.  Which are notorious for being killed by transplanting.

Some trees can be grown from root cuttings.  I don't know about Dawn Redwoods.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.  I planted the prunings in a garden bed, next to gingko seeds planted last week.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 17, 2016 at 4:55pm

Spud, your plan sounds like a delicious one, especially with you south facing wall of concrete. I look forward to learning about its progress!


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