Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

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Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Hope in the Middle of Big Ag

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Aug 3. 1 Reply

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Comment by Joan Denoo on November 17, 2016 at 4:55pm

Spud, your plan sounds like a delicious one, especially with you south facing wall of concrete. I look forward to learning about its progress!

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 17, 2016 at 2:31pm

Daneil, thanks much for the article on fruit walls.  I'm definitely going to use those ideas to grow my favorite warm weather fruits.

I'm thinking pomegranate, watermelon, muskmelon, grape, and maybe even pistachio & banana.

The south side of my house will be a good start because the wall is about 3 inches of concrete.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 16, 2016 at 8:34pm

Daniel, your article on the development of greenhouse fascinates me,  especially with the note :

"The greenhouse was invented by the Romans in the second century AD. Unfortunately, the technology disappeared when the Western Roman Empire collapsed. The Romans could produce large glass plates, and built greenhouses against brick walls.

"Their technology was only surpassed by the Dutch in the 1800s. However, the Roman greenhouse remained a toy for the rich and never became an important food supply."

An interesting history of the greenhouse. Thanks. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 16, 2016 at 7:25pm

Chris, you are very fortunate to have a source of cherimoyas!  As far as I know, they are completely tropical.  It's been many years since I tried one.  Thanks for the reminder!

Cherimoyas are a botanical cousin of Pawpaws, a native American fruit tree.  Pawpaws grow just fine in temperate Northern climates.  Some have been successful as far north as Southern Canada.  They are not known to be successful in the Pacific NW where I live, because they bear late and need a long warm season. It's possible that to few people have tried, for us to know.  Pawpaws are considered difficult to transplant so you need to start with a very small tree, 1 foot tall or so.  They are slow growers.  I have 5 pawpaw trees, from about 18 inches tall to about 8 feet tall.  None have borne fruit yet and I can't promise that they ever will.  I hand-pollinated them this year, knowing that they are not pollinated by bees and need pollen from a different variety.  They set fruit that fell off.  We'll see.


Fruit walls, urban farming in the 1600s.  Basically, using walls as passive solar collectors to push growing zones, getting fruit further North than otherwise possible. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 16, 2016 at 2:58pm

cherimoyas, season: March through May.

flowers are almost never pollinated by their own pollen, so they must be quickly and carefully hand-pollinated with collected male pollen.

White variety: has fewer seeds, a firmer texture, and sweet and juicy taste.

Booth variety: carries a strong papaya flavor.

Pierce variety: considered one of the tastiest, extra-creamy texture and peachy taste.

Selma variety: distinctive red-flesh and hints of raspberry flavor.

To eat a cherimoya, cut in half lengthwise, scoop out the velvety spoonfuls, peel and cut into cubes for salads, or puree and use in pastries or tarts.

Make sure to remove the large black seeds which are inedible.

I wonder if they will grow inside? I'll have to experiment. 

Now, I am all ready, starting in March, to try a new fruit. 

Thanks, Chris.

Comment by Plinius on November 16, 2016 at 5:07am

The greengrocer said cherimoyas are magical health food, but I'm not sure. The taste is sweet and aromatic, very nice! You open the fruit when it turns softer, inside are white pulp and many black seeds. Eat the pulp with a spoon and spit out the seeds.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 16, 2016 at 12:45am

Chris, I've seen cherimoyas but have no idea how to fix them. What did you do? 

Comment by Plinius on November 16, 2016 at 12:23am

A few weeks ago they had cherimoyas, very cheap and tasty!

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 15, 2016 at 11:14pm

Chris, I envy you the Turkish greengrocer, So many flavors I never tasted before. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 15, 2016 at 9:14pm

Chris, a Turkish market sounds interesting. Maybe some baklava, some donerkebab, some Kaşar, borek, and lamacun.  Funny, I spent 18 months in Turkey in the mid 70's.  All of the words I can remember refer to foods.


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