Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

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Comment by Patricia 8 hours ago

Have a great trip Randy!

Comment by Daniel W 9 hours ago

Kathy, I remember that hydrangea.  Beautiful flowers!

Randy, have tons of fun!  It's great to go out for Chinese food sometimes :-)  You will be missed!

Kathy, I don't know what that wasp might be.  There are so many species.   They make me nervous.  I had a childhood incident that must have left a psychological impression :-)

Joan, thanks for the additional information about Cascara.   I think I won't try to commercialize my trees :-)  I also read they can be used for wood turning projects.  That might be my next thing to try, so I am thinking about that as I pile up firewood to dry.  There is cascara in there, cherry, maple, and pine as well as unidentified types.

Randy, you are right about missing some color from trees.  Our maple just became very nice.  I think about the tree losses - chestnut, elm, ash, and wonder what we will have left.  Well, we keep trying.

Comment by kathy: ky 10 hours ago
Randy, enjoy yourself.
Comment by Randall Smith 14 hours ago

Kathy, I have those wasps (bees?), too. Unfortunately, I can't tell you their name. I've heard they don't sting, however.

Thomas, that's one neat apple tree!

Just as I'm about to leave (for China), trees are about to turn autumn colors. They'll be gone by the time I return. Anyway, with all the ash trees dead from the ash borer, colors aren't as vivid anymore. Wonder if leaves are turning in Beijing?

See you in 3 weeks!  I'll miss you all.

Comment by kathy: ky 21 hours ago
Lovely tree Thomas. My personal favorite is the dead looking hydrangea I bought for .50 at Lowes. I the massive one that I have a photo posted of.
Comment by kathy: ky 21 hours ago
Interesting article Spud. I like to read gardening articles that are brought up here.

Randy, Daniel, thanks for the information on the voles. And they are what I have been puzzled about for many years. We have a very large population of moles and sometimes on their flat tunnels I would find a friend small holes. I learned a LOT about moles (from reading on how to eliminate them) until I decided moles do more good than harm.
I see a large number of different types of holes in the yard. A couple of weeks ago I saw a couple of sandy spots that I hadn't noticed. I knew they weren't ants so I kept watching them when I was working outdoors and found a wasp of some kind. Digging a little angled dirt mound and going inside. Probably to lay larvae because when it came out it covered the little opening.
Does anyone have any idea what that was?
Thanks all
Comment by Joan Denoo 22 hours ago

Daniel, that is an interesting find. A little browsing and I found this: 

"Spanish conquerors exploring the Pacific Northwest in the 1600s came across many Native peoples using the bark of R. purshiana as a laxative. They gave it the name "Sacred Bark" (cáscara sagrada) in honor of its effectiveness. By 1877 the U.S. pharmaceutical company Parke-Davis was producing cascara preparations, and soon afterwards cascara products were being exported overseas to European markets. The explosion of the cascara industry caused great damage to native cascara populations during the 1900s, as a result of overharvesting.[16]

"In 1999, cascara made up more than 20% of the national laxative market in the U.S., with an estimated value of $400 million. The bark itself was worth approximately $100 million. Cascara was found in more drug preparations than any other natural product in North America, and is believed to be the most widely used cathartic in the world.[17]"

~ 16. Johnson, Rebecca & Foster, Steve (2008). National Geographic Desk Reference to Nature's Medicine. National Geographic Books. p. 77. ISBN 9781426202933.

~ 17. Small, Ernest; Caitling, Paul M.; National Research Council Canada (1999). Canadian Medicinal Crops. NRC Research Press. p. 130. ISBN 9780660175348."

It seems you have a valuable crop on your hands. Who would have thought you would make your fortune with a cathartic

Comment by Daniel W 23 hours ago

Thomas, thanks for the report and the interesting question.  Spud answered it well!  Last summer, I did have a small apple tree bloom in late summer, and it bloomed again this spring, and bore a few apples.  So all is not lost, I think.

Spud, thanks for the research and article.  That was news to me, made for great reading.

Comment by Thomas Murray yesterday


Thanks for the article and it makes sense. However, is there a way to correct the problem now? If the buds are blooming now, then there won't be any buds left to bloom this coming Spring... or hopefully the tree will self correct itself , however, the bloom won't appear until two Springs latter.

Comment by Idaho Spud yesterday

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