Just wondering what you thought about the "debate".

Depending on the news source - some say Romney did very well

while some say Romney lied throughout the "debate".

Any thoughts?


Romney gains ground on Obama after strong debate

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Thos who oppose an American world empire (how would we like it if, as one commentator suggested, Hugo Chavez bought a few thousand acres of California real estate and made it into a Venezuelan army base?) are vastly outnumbered by the Apathetic Masses and outweighed, influence-wise, by the military industrial complex.  Every defense plant is in some Congresscritter's district.  The Pentagon gets weapons systems it doesn't even want!  So yes, this juggernaut will continue to bleed us dry, no end insight.

You are absolutely right!

Have you read The Pornography of Power by Robert Scheer?  (Published in 2008. It's available at Half.com for $ 0.75 plus S&H)


In the course of his forty-year-career as one ofAmerica's most admired journalists, Robert Scheer's work has been praised by Gore Vidal, Susan Sontag, and Joan Didion, who deems him "one of the best reporters of our time." Now, Scheer brings a lifetime of wisdom and experience to one of the most overlooked and dangerous issues of our time - the destructive influence ofAmerica's military-industrial complex.Scheer examines the expansion of our military presence throughout the world, our insane nuclear strategy, the immorality of corporations profiting inIraq, and the arrogance of our foreign policy. Although Scheer is a liberal, his view echoes that of former Republican president General Dwight Eisenhower, who, in his farewell speech to the American people, spoke prophetically about need to guard against the growing influence of the military-industrial complex. In George W. Bush'sAmerica, politicians like Ike and Richard Nixon seem like prudent centrists.The views of libertarians, liberals, and pacifists are often overlooked or ignored by America's mainstream media.The Pornography of Poweris the culmination of a respected journalist's efforts to change the terms of debate.At a time when many are exploiting fears of terrorist attacks and only a few national leaders are willing to advocate cuts in defense spending, nuclear disarmament, and restrained use of American force, Robert Scheer has written a manifesto for enlightened reform.
Scheer was my favorite reporter/columnist at the Los Angeles TIMES, and he was fired very abruptly and rudely, with no notice at all, when the more conservative Chicago Tribune conglomerate bought the paper.  But that has not shut him up.  Thank Whatever.

Look at how the NYT's treated Chris Hedges for opposing the Iraq war. This interview covers it well.

Thanks for the great interview, Chris! These bits relate to the debate too.

[Hedges] The charade of politics is to make voters think that the personal narrative of the candidate affects the operation of the corporate state. It doesn’t really matter on the fundamental issues whether the President is Republican or Democratic. The imperial projects will continue, Wall Street will be unimpeded in its malfeasance and criminal activity, social programs will continue to be cut, maybe not at the same speed as under a Republican Administration, but it’s all headed in the same direction.

[Q]... bread and circuses as a method of control.

[Hedges] The purpose of bread and circuses is, as Neil Postman said in his book Amusing Ourselves to Death, to distract, to divert emotional energy towards the absurd and the trivial and the spectacle while you are ruthlessly stripped of power.

The spectacle of Presidential Debate, as you say "now conducted almost entirely like a tawdry TV reality show" has morphed into a tool of corporate control, "to divert emotional energy ... while you are ruthlessly stripped of power."

By mocking the debates, as in posting musical satire videos" I too participate in that process of diverting attention to the absurd and the trivial.

AN cut me off again. 

A real debate covering economic policy, foreign policy, domestic policy (regulations and climate change), energy policy perhaps split into subsets with each debate lasting two hours over the course of several weeks would give voters pertinent information about the candidates which would relieve them from spending so much time campaigning because the debates would become the deciding factor for voters.

Check out this Glenn Greenwald article.

ednesday night's debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney underscored a core truth about America's presidential election season: the vast majority of the most consequential policy questions are completely excluded from the process. This fact is squarely at odds with a primary claim made about the two parties – that they represent radically different political philosophies – and illustrates how narrow the range of acceptable mainstream political debate is in the country.

In part this is because presidential elections are now conducted almost entirely like a tawdry TV reality show. Personality quirks and trivialities about the candidates dominate coverage, and voter choices, leaving little room for substantive debates.

Johnathan, you are so right.  Hitler said "How fortunate for politicans that men do not think."  No politician dares tell the truth abut the trilllions that the govt. wastes in wars and foreign aid...or about the debt that is in the stratosphere and rising -- because such a truth-teller would not be elected.

Yes Alan - I agree - you have to think. However. I think the majority of people on the Nexus are thinkers and not representative of the majority of the population. We think here. We use our brains.

Yes and no to "the majority of people on the Nexus are thinkers and not representative of the majority of the population. We think here. We use our brains.". While more of us question here, we are all still deficient thinkers in many ways, just because we're human. Perhaps I'm setting up an impossible standard. I can surely speak for myself.

I try. But spectacle, fantasy, the absurd and the trivial distract me just as much as the general public. I spend many hours a day in front of the TV. I need a daily dose of LOLcat antidote to harsh reality. I'm not "better than thou" compared to the general population, when it comes to using my brain.

Ruth, I enjoy fantasy fiction tremendously, but I know it's fantasy.  I know I'm never going to ride a telepathic dragon, or have a white horse with blue eyes come to my door and tell me (again, telepathically) the I've been Chosen to be a Herald for the Kingdom of Valdemar.  I know that telepathy, dragons and Companions are just as much a fantasy as a creator-god who gives a rat's a$$ about who wins the Stoopid Bowl, or whether some kid in East Armpit, Alabama passes a math test..  But I like to read about things like that when I'm relaxing.

I'm also a political junkie, and for the past 50+ years my jaw has been dropping lower and lower, in amazement at the blatant lies and fairy tales that the citizens of this country do believe.  I wrote Hilary Clinton off my list of possible presidents in October 2002, when she gave an impassioned speech in the Senate IN FAVOR OF the invasion of Iraq.  Either she actually believed the cooked-up "evidence" for WMDs, or she knew it was all lies, and was pandering to the powerful...neither of which is acceptable to me.

I think substantive debates would actually be exciting...might wake some people up and educate them.  They'd certainly be more exciting than the current faux debate format.  There must be some way to let the networks and sponsors know that they are turning people off.

I've been singing this song for 30 years, ever since Viet Nam.  As a libertarian I've watched alternative points of view edited out of every election. Pagentry and theater mask the inevitable advance of the corporate/military state.  Eventually the debt wil be totally out of control and the govt. will lose all credibility.  Maybe THEN there will be change.

Bush, Cheney, and cronies should have been tried for war crimes and the wrongful death of tens of thousands of people.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, AND Condoleeza Rice.  (And some of the more shadowy people in the BG...whoever okayed torturing prisoners, for Dog's sake!)

I don't know whether anything should be done about Colin Powell...I think his conscience is punishing him enough for that speech at the UN...he KNEW it was all lies!  That and his sticking with the "Slam-Dunk" war lords as long as he did totally destroyed his credibility.  There was a time when I would have voted for him for prez, no matter what party he was affiliated with, but not anymore.

Any new thoughts on the debate last night?




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