I recently watched the movie, "The Golden Compass" and since I could not find the sequels, I read the books. I enjoyed them, and I will be reading the first one, Northern Lights, starting tomorrow, since it just arrived via inter-library loan. During my research to locate the sequels, I found an article about why the other two books in the series, The Subtle Knife and The Amber Spyglass, were not made into a movie. Here is the link:  http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/12/16/there-will-be-no-sequels-to-the...  . 

This article, https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2009/dec/15/golden-compas... , makes a point how other things that the Catholic Church "hates" were successful, such as "Harry Potter" and "The Da Vinci Code". I have seen all those movies and, I must be blind, because I do not see anything AGAINST the Catholic Church in them. As a side note, I used to be Christian, so, I do not understand why a Christian author would write stories involving magic, since the bible specifically states to avoid such things. I also will make it a point that the "Lord of the Rings" series is written by a Christian author, involved magic, and is successful.

The only difference I see between the successful movies that the Catholic Church supposedly hates and the His Dark Materials collection is that in either The Subtle Knife and/or The Amber Spyglass, the belief in a god and afterlife is blatantly disagreed with and further states that religion/god is evil and that the church is an evil creation of men used to control and dumb down the masses. I do not know if anything like that is written in the first novel of the series. My opinion is that it is not the content of the movie (magic, etc.), but the outright calling of the church as evil is why the Catholic Church [supposedly] hindered the creation of sequels.  Also, whereas the other authors are Christian, Pullman has stated that he is a Atheist. That can be considered as another reason why the Church "hates" the series. This is from Wikipedia :

Pullman is a supporter of the British Humanist Association and an Honorary Associate of the National Secular Society. He has called himself an atheist, though adding, "I am a Church of England atheist, and a 1662 Book of Common Prayer atheist, because that’s the tradition I was brought up in”,[39] he has also said he is technically an agnostic.[40] Pullman has singled out certain elements of Christianity for criticism : "if there is a God, and he is as the Christians describe him, then he deserves to be put down and rebelled against".[40] However, Pullman has also said that his argument can extend to all religions.[41][42] Pullman has also referred to himself as knowingly "of the Devil's party", a reference to William Blake's revisionist take on Milton in The Marriage of Heaven and Hell.[43]

On 15 September 2010, Pullman along with 54 other public figures (including Stephen Fry, Professor Richard Dawkins, Terry Pratchett, Jonathan Miller and Ken Follett) signed an open letter, published in The Guardian newspaper, stating their opposition to Pope Benedict XVI being given "the honour of a state visit" to the UK; the letter argued that the Pope has led and condoned global abuses of human rights, leading a state which has "resisted signing many major human rights treaties and has formed its own treaties ("concordats") with many states which negatively affect the human rights of citizens of those states".[

Another interesting link: http://www.tor.com/2013/09/24/banned-books-week-philip-pullmans-his...

I would like to read the thoughts and opinions of others in this group concerning this matter. Thanks!

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Bertold, batshit crazy and mean.

Chris, I read this before, but reading it again, I want to wrap you in my arms and tell you how wonderful you are and how precious you are to me. I love you, dear friend 

A big hug to you, Joan, with love!

I haven't seen the film but I remember the reviews that summed it up as pretty but empty. I never heard of any religious controversy this side of the Atlantic. Perhaps people here don't take these things so seriously. Plus the fact that the churches made such fools of theirselves over "Life of Brian" that they keep quiet now,

I hope you can find "The Good Man" somewhere. 

Have you ever read Terry Pratchett's "Discworld" novels?

Where is this side of the Atlantic? I am in USA. Never heard of "Life of Brian".  Will do an interlibrary loan for "The Good Man..." unless I find it at another local library. Never heard of Pratchett. Will look into it.  One would think they made enough fools of themselves to stop considering every one else evil when all the pedophiles were discovered in the churches....

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"Life of Brian" great stories loosely based on bible stories. "Brian is born on the original Christmas, in the stable next door. He spends his life being mistaken for a messiah.

Life of Brian (1979)


This side is the European side: I live in Denmark. The Church of England raged about the Monty Python film "Life of Brian" which was about how the words of a well-meaning man could lead to trouble. The C of E thought it was a parody of Jesus. (It was set in the same place and time).



Great point about Life of Brian. Here's Malcomb Muggeridge (someone I had previously respected) not coming out well at all debating the quality of L of B with John Cleese and Michael Palin.


Ian, do you suppose Denmark has room for all of us wounded by religion? I fell in love with the country when I was there. The fields so lush, the crops so abundant, the homes so pretty and brightly painted, the people so generous and fun. 




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