Former President, Jimmy Carter, a born again Sunday school teacher has made a pretty astounding comment concerning woman's rights.

"I am convinced that discrimination against women and girls is one of the world'€™s most serious, all-pervasive and largely ignored violations of basic human rights,€" Mr. Carter, 88, wrote in the his book proposal, adding: "It is disturbing to realize that women are treated most equally in some countries that are atheistic or where governments are strictly separated from religion."€ ~ Jimmy Carter, 39th President of the United States

The only issue I have with President Carter was the statement,

"It is disturbing to realize that women are treated most equally in some countries that are atheistic or where governments are strictly separated from religion."€

I don't find it all that disturbing, in fact, I see a positive trend for secular governments


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It's possible that what he found disturbing was the behavior of the government of his own country and its too often duplicitous treatment of women.

It sounds like what was disturbing was that though he sees religion as a positive thing, governments that are entangled with religion tend to discriminate against women. That's actually an endorsement of government being "strictly separated from religion" -- not done as well as we could here in the States!

President Carter's statement can be interpreted two ways, and neither of them involve negativity toward freethinkers.  He could mean that it is disturbing in the sense that Judeo-Christians and Muslims love to talk the talk -- "Without God, everything, including misogyny, is permitted," or he could mean that atheist societies are putting moralistic monotheist bigots to shame.  I give Carter the benefit of the doubt since I believe there are good Christians and bad.  I met the man and felt immediately comfortable in his presence. If you're lucky enough to shake his hand, as I did in Vermont one year, you are completely disarmed. I don't think he has a mean bone in his body.  For all we know, he may yet see the light and realize Christianity is bullshit.

Anyone who wants to make the statement that "without god, everything, including misogyny, is permitted," has chutzpah you couldn't keep in this room.  Consider the misogyny found in all three Abrahamic religions, then look at the treatment of women in those countries where religion is in the background rather than the foreground.  That done, I DARE someone to tell me that religious morality is the benchmark by which any other must be measured.

FUCK, but that pisses me off!

Thanks, Loren. Me too.

Asserting that religious morality is any sort of good benchmark angers me too!

More accurately, "with a god, everything, including misogyny and worse, is permitted."

Loren, powerfully stated and there is plenty of evidence to back up your statement. Thanks!

Carter wrote an op-ed a few years ago about giving up his religion for equality.   No, he didn't reject Christianity, but he was backing off from the fundamentalism he grew up with.  I live within an hour's drive of his home town, and I still can't quite believe the pervasiveness of born again Christianity in this area--and the assumption of Christian privilege.  The Southern Baptist Convention was taken over by fundamentalists in the late 70s, and part of their platform is the submissiveness of women as laid out in the NT.  It's odd, but most of the young women in my college classes aren't aware of that.

You're right that the fundementalist took over the Southern Baptist in the late 70s.  My extended family are all Southern Baptist and also all fundementalist.  I can't reconcile the two.  Wasn't that when the moral majority reared its ugly head?




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