The Meaning of Life - What's Yours?


Ultimate Meaning



Sustainablity - Our Environment

Personal Happiness and Contentment - Is that the ultimate goal?


OK I have something that I'd like to get off my chest.  I don't have a lot of real meaning in person adult friends at the moment - I've moved cities and haven't been out much - although that is changing - so being able to write on here - in a dear diary way - but get some feed back would be really great - as I don't get time to research my theories as much as I would like - and so some grounding from others always helps me not to get too far off reality.


I suppose it relates to meaning of life.  What is your meaning of life?


I've worked a lot of getting rid of mythology and have been left with not much really - although I am quite liking the humanist perspective - or what I know of it - in terms of it's natural and science base.


I figure due to the heat death of the universe there isn't much point to life.  Only that we are here and that is amazing in itself.  But we aren't perfect - we only find ourselves here because in our current form we are well adapted to reproduce - but it isn't without flaws.


Death is something that many fear and I think it is a main driving forse of religious belief - behind the cultural and social benefits people gain from involvement.  I think a good death is quite an amazing experience according to people who've come back from death to tell the tale - so now a days I'm not so scard of death - although who knows how I'll be at the time.  I feel sad thinking about it - but then again I'm only 34 and hope to live until I'm at least 80 - so perhaps by the time I've had another 46 years I'll be in a very different head space about it all.  Here's hoping anyhow.  In fact I think a good way of dealing with death in general is to accept it's going to happen and know that it is quite amazing for a few minutes once you've died technically, until you're brain fades out.  Of course there is nothing after that, so I'm not worried about that bit - it's the leaving that is really sad - leaving all your family and friends behind - my husband put it quite well when he said it's a bit like leaving a really great party before it's finished.


So once we've dealt with death - and meaning - ultimately there isn't any - what are we left with?  We're left with what to do with our time?


Morals have come up quite a bit.  I didn't used to like them much - but Sam Harris book changed that - and now I can see the value in morals in terms of it's wrong to cause children harm through sexually abuse or physical mutalation - through cutting off their clitorises.  So on an extreme end of things I can see the value of moral values of right and wrong.  I can see also that we have these values because we have empathy and don't like to see others hurt.


But can we stop all pain?  Would it be good to stop all pain?


Pain is part of life - it is helpful in some ways - it would be nice if we didn't need to have it, but it has a value by way of keeping us alive.


I like nonviolent communication - not because I think we ought to be nonviolent in our communication, but because I think it is a useful tool in communicating with others about our feelings and needs, so as to get our needs met in a way that isn't harmful to others.  I think this is a useful way of being.


We are lucky in our society generally that we don't have to make decisions about harming others.  I'm not convised that total nonviolence would work.  When thinking about the major religions in the world the ones that are most nonviolent are quite contained and small - although Hinduism has a lot of members.  It's the violent ones that are prospering - christianity and islam.  In fact Islam seems to have picked wars with all of them - Pakistain and India - Palastine and Israel - Islam and the West - I don't think they've attacked the Buddhists yet - perhaps there is something in that!


Christians seem good at fighting Islam currently and historically - I'm thinking of the crusaides.


Buddhists aren't agressive, but they don't seem to be growing either - in fact China has put quite a stop to their leadership also.


The other main issue I think is our sustainablity on planet earth.  I don't think that waiting for technology to get us safely to another planet is the key to this.  I think we'll be waiting a long time and in fact I think the human race will die out and take out most other species with it, before we work out how to get a group of humans safely to another habitable planet using science.


I think that the evolution of dealing with climate change will be gradual and we will slowly adapt to less food and less material things.  Although I also think that much pain will come too and I think that we will have more people starving or getting sick due to malnurishment - the food quality is already going down - due to our farming practices - we relay on synthetic vitamins - which I'm skeptical about - and also fossil fuel based fertilisers - I'm not sure how sustainable they are either - and I believe that crops are reducing due to poor quality of soils.  Although Israel and Australia are leading the way with using poor soils to grow food - due to their need based on poor soils.  American on the other hand seems to have rich deep soils.  India is running out of water in parts to successfully irrigate food.


Is it OK that humans clear the land to make food for themselves at the expense of so many other species?  I heard that at least 5 species are lost every day mainly due to human food production.  We haven't even found all the species in the world - there are just so many.  Does it even matter, when the universe will die a heat death in the end any way?  What's it all worth?


Perhaps it matters to our quality of life and our survival as a species.  But you wouldn't know, when most people are more concerned about entertainment - once they've done their day's work to get their basic needs met.  Switching their brains off in favour of someone elses imagined theatre on TV or you tube.


It seems perhaps that I missed the point here.  Isn't life about enjoying yourself?  Does it really matter about the planet and long term sustainability and saving other species or our own for that matter?


Perhaps it doesn't really matter what we do at all.  Perhaps everyone should just life the life that makes them the most happy - and that is the best thing we can all do.


What are your thoughts?









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Wow! What a lot of thoughts, and well put. Most of us probably mull over these questions from time to time and, as we aren't slaves of dogma, revise our points of view.

Death: I work in nursing homes and can say that death isn't frightening for most old people. Many feel that it, like Jean-Luc Picard once said, "comes like an old friend offering rest".


Nature: Look after it! It belongs to our children. As a socialist I think that the world's resources should not be exploited for profit but used in a rational manner.


Meaning: That's what you have to bring to the party. For me it gets made up as I go along - what would be the best thing to do here and now. Morals, much the same. There are good and bad alternatives so I try to find good ones - good in the sense of beneficial to self and others, or at least not harmful.


That's about it. I agree with Heraklitus that you can't step in the same river twice, so as the world changes so must I. There isn't a Great Absolute (God) out there so we each have to take responsibility for our lives as far as we can.


Good luck in the new city.

Melanie, I like your response very much. :)


My only thought is that I wonder about this too.  Especially when I'm on my period.

Yes, dr kellie, to borrow a phrase from Alice Cooper, "Only women bleed" - now to the other Alice... Alice, I certainly hope you're having a Guinness, or some other quaff - that's a lot to digest at one writing! The first thing I'd like to offer is that the earth will take care of itself - I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't do the best we can to protect it - but it can take the worst we have to offer; it will adapt even after we have obliterated ourselves. On the meaning of life, didn't you enjoy spilling out all those questions? You like to write and you like to think. Maybe you don't so much like to write - but if you remove all the grammar and write what you feel about just one of those points, you'll probably come up with a beautiful "stream of consciousness". All of that is to say that, for me, painting is my best exercise in "understanding" what the meaning of life is to me. What we have is Now and our memories. To me, all of my memories are like the world of painting - imperfect, selective, changed around a bit, and mine alone. Really a reflection of how others see me. And sometimes I find that I'm surprised at how I see myself. Grace Jones once said, when asked if she feels that she is the center of the universe, "Yes.... and you?" We ARE the centers of our own universe. If it feels good to feel good, then isn't that really enough?
I like the Grace Jones quote.  I'm going to use it.

Thanks for sharing, Alice and everybody. Thanks for asking, Alice. *sigh* This question, for me, is fractal... similar to this video. The meaning of life keeps branching out into so many questions of meaning, as if for me it's about understanding who I am and the universe. So I could spend an afternoon telling you my questions and answers.


I don't believe there is a universal meaning to life.  Life is.  How we choose to live our lives can be meaningful or not.  For me, as a breast cancer survivor, I live with an overwhelming appreciation of just being alive.  While I do not fear death, I embrace life.  That we as individuals are descendants of an evolutionary chain is absolutely amazing.


I try to show my appreciation for life by being generous, giving, laughing, and living everyday to the fullest.

Carpe Diem!

This is a really great response that echoes my sentiments perfectly.

For me, my values are facts about myself. They're not things I can change about myself. I am created to value life, therefore I do so. These are biological urges that we use to frame our values. My knowledge of these things enriches my life. It does not destroy it.


I know human beings don't always value their lives (suicide, depression) or the lives of others (psychopaths) but most do, and living within those parameters gives my life meaning. I know that I am able to love my girlfriend and life better because of these things.


I am tremendously lucky in my life, having not experienced death in any great degree, so this may be a naive view. I know I am made to fear death, and to miss the bonds that tie us to one another after they are gone. It drives me to better care for myself, keep the weight off, exercise. But I know I will die at some point. I believe there is no life after death, because that's where the evidence points. But my values are who I am. (Hope that isn't a deepity).

You are created? By whom?
What he said.

That was a nice read Alice.  Cheers.


You pretty much echo my thoughts exactly, and I think it's something we more or less all have to wrestle with.  For me to explain my "meaning of life"  I would just go full circle like you did in your post.


If we can call it a meaning, it is (like you say) to enjoy yourself.  The point is that how can we enjoy ourselves if we're destroying our planet and causing harm to entire species.  **I say this, being in the Canadian Military... which I guess can be seen as hypocritical :p -- this really ties into your thoughts on pain though.  I would love to live in a world that didn't need a military, but currently this is not the world we live in.  Like you pointed out, religion has a lot to do with this.  If we all thought critically and cared about each others' well being, we'd all be able to enjoy ourselves!  Imagine a world with no political borders!  Unfortunately, with some of the religious extremist groups and corrupt nations out there, it can be pretty difficult to enjoy life for most people.


Man, this subject is tough to talk about without jumping to a million other subjects :p


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