I just read a post on FB written by the friend of a friend.  He's a 21-year old guy.  I'm a 44-year old woman, just to give it some perspective.  His is a bible-thumper (I'm not friends with him on FB, he just posted on a friend of mines wall, but I know him and his family through mutual friends).  He said if a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, she shouldn't have sex.  I know I should just let it go, but I let him have it.  So the only reason to have sex is to get pregnant?  Then he said something about if she gets pregnant she has no right to 'kill the kid'.  I mentioned rape and incest and the fact that not everyone believes  a fertilized egg is a 'kid' yet, and if he doesn't believe in the right to have an abortion, don't have one, and it's a personal decision,etc.  I KNOW I shouldn't have argued with him.  But it's 4 a.m., I can't sleep, and now I let myself get pissed-off by someone I know is a fundie.  Ugh. lol.  I will ignore the post if he posts again.  There are too many of them to piss me off.  I'd have a coronary if I let them all get to me...

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Congratulations for 'notching' another A-hole. My list is very very long - would fill books.

Today - part of the discussion's going around is religious freedom by employers to deny birth control medication for female employees.

If I were 'religious' I'd also demand cholestrol and heart medication be removed from my health program for employees. You see, if GOD didn't want my employee to have high cholestrol or have heart disease He'd have made them without it. Religious freedom to do whatever and however I want to do it. That's America! (lol)

I know that telling the truth to someone who refuses to believe it and gets obnoxious in their refutations is extremely stressful, but still, you did the right thing. It won't influence this particular young man, but it may influence others. And that counts.

Just don't get into any of these discussions to the point where it's taking more out of you than you have to give. The proudly ignorant will remain so, and if you need to back off in order to retain your sanity, it's OK.

Thanks for doing your little bit! :-)

You began standing up for yourself. That's a beginning. Some are better at it than others. Some learn quickly that these 'Christians' get really nasty when challenged. They are not used to being spoken to in a manner that challenges their brainwashing.

I find it totally and completely 'fun' to see how long during a discussion and how soon I will be told I'm going to burn in Christian Hell. Next, I like seeing exactly how many new and unique ways these totally and completely insane people can come up with that maybe I've not heard before. How many times during a discussion with a Christian does it NOT turn to the burn in hell scenero? They cannot help themselves. It's always their way or it's the pathway to their hell. Maybe a couple times over the last 20-years has a discussion continued more than a few postings before I'm told I will certainly suffer the consequences of not accepting Jesus as my Lord and Savior.

Never under-estimate a Christian. They seem to thrive totally on vicious ways to tell you you will burn and suffer in their prison named Hell. Such a loving, peaceful and compassionate religion.

It's a game and they play it well (centuries of practice). We must also play it well and in doing so it confuses them. They stammer and stumble all over themselves. It's fun watdching it happen.

Christians are never more loving than when they love to hate.

I know what you mean! I stupidly responded to a YouTube comment on a Lawrence Krauss video.  The commenter was some creationist claiming to be an ID scientist.  I just couldn't help debunking and mocking his lame arguments, but it was pointless as he never answered any of my questions and just got more and more stupid.  I was angry at myself for getting sucked in, because if you stop responding, the idiots think it means they've won the argument.  

However, I think you did the right thing because, as several others have said, we can't let this ignorant, misogynist crap slide.  Even though I'm a menopausal 49-yr.-old, I've got a 21-yr.-old daughter who may find herself back in the dark ages if these misogynist assholes have their way.  I don't want her to have to live in a world like that, so I make it my business to call out this crap whenever I can.  Good for you for doing it!

When I get into it with Bible and KJV zealouts I hit them with, 

Psalm 32:1, Blessed is he whose transfressions is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psalm 65:3, Inequities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away.
Psalm 103:12, as far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
Isaiah 43:25, I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
Isaiah 44:22, I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgresssions, and, as a cloud, thy sins; return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

All Old Testament stuff, why was a NEW testament required when God "The Holy One the King" has already forgiven all of our transgressions?

They all squirm and give every excuse from that was only of Israel or we needed "true" forgiveness.

With the internet anything they Quote can be proved wrong by the same Bible.

Why, this has to be one of the absolute DUMBEST things I've ever heard! I probably would've laid it on him, too. I know it wouldn't be wise, but I'm a teenager and -- not to make my fellow teens look bad -- we tend to do stupid things.

True, true.

The fundies are at it again.

I have them in my family .. I get to hear all that crap all the time.

I did a similar thing a while ago I responded to a fundie about abortion (on an Atheist site) I explained to him women have the right to do whatever they wish with their bodies and it wasn't any of his business.

Well that just made him even more vitriolic, I then got what I call the upper case treatment screaming at me about trimesters and going to hell etc etc.

Is there a really good put down for these people which could also apply to the Jehovahs and such who knock at my door?

I tell them I'm not infected with religious mind viruses.

Thanks Ruth, a great back at them line I love it.


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