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Picture yourself spending some time with congenial friends, sharing your lives and pictures from your cell phones." They're curious about that cool game, song, movie, camping trip, art show, or other event that fascinated you. You talk about all kinds of stuff, poetry, styles, personal achievements, relationships, and bad days. You can share your inner child, and laugh together. They sympathetically listen to your feelings about serious topics like politics or climate change, even when they don't agree.

Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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Degrees of Doubt: The Claims and Credentials of Ravi Zacharias (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris May 17. 1 Reply

Anyone here ever run onto an apologist by the name of Ravi Zacharias?  I've seen his name dropped multiple times on YouTube as supposedly being THE ONE APOLOGIST that no atheist wants to cross swords with, because of his facility with christian…Continue

Tags: Ravi Zacharias, Steve Baughman, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

The Most Hated Woman in America (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Gary S Apr 19. 7 Replies

Before Aron Ra and Matt Dillahunty, before Dawkins or Dennett or Harris or even Hitchens, there was Madalyn Murray O'Hair.  In the midst of an America where Christianity was being flaunted as a defense against the godless communists of the Soviet…Continue

Tags: Frank Zindler, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews, Madalyn Murray O'Hair

Proud Dad is REALLY Proud Now!

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Todd Williams Apr 12. 16 Replies

As some of you may or may not know, my daughter is a television news producer, currently working in Nashville, Tennessee.  Her assignment is the morning news, which means she blasts herself up at umpti-ump in the morning to organize and prepare a…Continue

Tags: Emmy, news, television, daughter, dad

attacking ideas (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 1 Reply

Attacking ideas is a considerable portion of what we as atheists do.  Why attack ideas?  Ideas earn attack when they don't serve people, not just us but those who adopt said ideas, mistakenly thinking that they have value when they don't.  Our…Continue

Tags: ideas, Islam, TheraminTrees

bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 40 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

The Playboy Interview: Richard Dawkins

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Mar 28. 16 Replies

I suppose it was the news that Playboy magazine was returning nudes to its pages after a year's hiatus that sufficiently perked my curiosity to check them out again.  I hadn't looked at Playboy since perhaps 2008, when I began to recognize that I…Continue

Tags: Richard Dawkins, Playboy

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Comment by Chris yesterday

I know I'm kookie because I don't follow  Abrihamic religions  that think/teach that  suffering is the way to redemption.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on Tuesday

As Sister Teresa would tell you, the pain and misery aren't a bug, they're a feature.

Comment by Grinning Cat on Tuesday

Yup... and then they have to have an arbitrary rule about how you're not allowed to check out early 'cause the sky daddy doesn't like it -- even if it's his own mysterious plan that's causing you unremitting pain from a terminal disease.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on Tuesday

Good points, GC. You touched on one of the core beliefs of the con, that life in "this vale of tears" means nothing compared to the life eternal to come, or as the preacher said it at a recent memorial service, "the never-ending feast." (Like, couldn't they do a little better than that?) Cozy how this gels so nicely with not caring about the environment, truth, justice or social issues.

Comment by Ian Mason on Tuesday

Weddings could be fun.

Comment by Joan Denoo on Tuesday

Carl, the wedding would not be one of my choices, either. However, I think it touches a place in people that reason does not. I don't need that place, and I know you don't either. I wonder if people who do not need the pomp and circumstance of the rituals need to connect with believers in a different way than I recognize? 

Some refuse to consider non-belief; 

some have social pressures that inhibit non-belief; 

some have fear of non-belief; 

some have anger directed toward those who do not believe; 

some have feelings of guilt and shame that impede non-belief; 

Some like living in the answer instead of living in the question. 

Another way of looking at strategy is to observe how a lack of belief in god can influence individuals' who feel anger, fear, guilt, and shame? 

Perhaps, not focusing on trying to persuade believers to consider non-belief, it might be helpful to focus on the problems belief create, i.e. work toward separation of church and state, keep religion out of public schools, challenge the voucher system for funding education, confront violence in the home with public exposure of abusers, especially if the abusers are religious leaders and teachers. 

Many non-believers have doubts themselves, or they feel fear what will happen if they let others know about their lack of belief in god. The social protocols of "Don't discuss religion or politics in polite society" seems juvenile to me. Any mature, adult, mentally healthy person should be able to take on these discussions without becoming a fool or a tyrant. 

The family and friends who know I am not a believer reacted in expected ways: anger, denial, delusions, fear, pleasure, and agreement. I have a kind of script to respond to these differences. 

My goal is to remain calm, confident, competent, non-defensive, honest, and  challenge them to think, ala A Manual for Creating Atheists by Peter Boghossian. I like his style and especially his sense of humor. Challenging believers can be stressful and it does not have to be grim. Play with ideas and have some fun!

Comment by Grinning Cat on Tuesday

Chris, I see the Abrahamic religions' story of Abraham being ready to murder his son BecauseGodSaidSo as a moral test which Abraham failed spectacularly. He might have instead responded "Hell no!" The God character failed as well, on a grander scale, not only for heartily approving of that blind obedience but also for creating the whole scenario in the first place!

(There are various interpretations trying to paint it in a better light, such as a demonstration that human sacrifice is wrong.) 

Carl also mentioned the related, too-common fundamentalist perception that "if it's martyrdom, if must be good and righteous." Many religions promise an afterlife in which everything will be set straight and made right, so real life doesn't count as much.

Successful religious worldviews seen as memeplexes, complexes of behaviors and ideas that replicate and spread from some human "hosts" to others, need not keep their hosts alive and healthy and thriving any more than necessary to keep spreading. They don't "care" about their hosts' well-being. (Or about anything else, not being conscious.)

I grew up with "The Binding of Isaac" as a story of virtue... had to vent.

Comment by Chris on Tuesday
Comment by Ian Mason 47 minutes ago

Good one, Chris. The absurdity of blind obedience.

Another absurd thing: in the Greek Orthodox church, if a layman puts a foot into the priest's vestry the whole church has to be re-sanctified by the patriarch. If a woman puts her foot there, the church has to be re-sanctified TWICE.

I don't know much but find it impollite to put your foot in someones face.  Maybe that's why breaking glasses is traditiional in some marriage cerimonies.

Comment by Chris on Tuesday

I agree with you The Flying Atheist  about  about the beauty of Film Nior.

Unfortunately, it' was the '50's  with black listing.

Comment by Chris on Tuesday

Joan,

Here's an interesting web site to look at.

http://psychohistory.com/

It describes a bit of history.

I'd like to know - Hitler describes the Third Reich.  What were the first two?

 

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