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bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan 2 hours ago. 34 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

punishing doubt (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller Sep 6. 0 Replies

If you are associated with religion and especially a fundamentalist religion, doubt is intolerable.  Certainty, however it may be achieved or imposed, becomes a necessary element, especially considering the utter dearth of any form of evidence or…Continue

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We Don't Want Your (Atheist) Money! (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 2. 17 Replies

I suppose I've heard stories like this before:Conscientious atheist donates money to worthy cause.Worthy cause initially accepts money.Worthy cause discovers source of donation.Worthy cause rejects donation.Swell, eh?  Well Matt Willbourne of…Continue

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The Whole Bible in 30 Seconds (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Randy Hatly Sep 2. 3 Replies

Ever decide that you wanted to read the whole bible, cover to cover, only to realize half-way through Deuteronomy that the darn thing is industrial-strength BORING?!?  Well, never fear!  America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, has done the Cliff's…Continue

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Are You a Patriot? (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris G Aug 29. 22 Replies

You might think that Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, would be stepping outside of her comfort zone in tackling the concept of patriotism.  As it turns out, not only does she have a proper handle on the term and its implications, she also…Continue

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Comment by Steph S. on July 3, 2012 at 5:50pm

Comment by Ian Mason on July 3, 2012 at 3:25pm

Spread the Good Word, Sister Melinda. If I ever officiate at a funeral (being on Ordained Minister of the First Church of Atheism, I can) I'll use that text.

Comment by Ian Mason on July 3, 2012 at 1:42pm

Just remembered that I've got this on my computer for when my time comes.

"You want a physicist to speak at your funeral. You want the physicist to talk to your grieving family about the conservation of energy, so they will understand that your energy has not died. You want the physicist to remind your sobbing mother about the first law of thermodynamics; that no energy gets created in the universe, and none is destroyed. You want your mother to know that all your energy..., every vibration, every Btu of heat, every wave of every particle that was her beloved child remains with her in this world. You want the physicist to tell your weeping father that amid energies of the cosmos, you gave as good as you got.

And at one point you'd hope that the physicist would step down from the pulpit and walk to your brokenhearted spouse there in the pew and tell him/her that all the photons that ever bounced off your face, all the particles whose paths were interrupted by your smile, by the touch of your hair, hundreds of trillions of particles, have raced off like children, their ways forever changed by you. And as your widow rocks in the arms of a loving family, may the physicist let him/her know that all the photons that bounced from you were gathered in the particle detectors that are her/his eyes, that those photons created within her/him constellations of electromagnetically charged neurons whose energy will go on forever.

And the physicist will remind the congregation of how much of all our energy is given off as heat. There may be a few fanning themselves with their programs as he says it. And he will tell them that the warmth that flowed through you in life is still here, still part of all that we are, even as we who mourn continue the heat of our own lives.

And you'll want the physicist to explain to those who loved you that they need not have faith; indeed, they should not have faith. Let them know that they can measure, that scientists have measured precisely the conservation of energy and found it accurate, verifiable and consistent across space and time. You can hope your family will examine the evidence and satisfy themselves that the science is sound and that they'll be comforted to know your energy's still around. According to the law of the conservation of energy, not a bit of you is gone; you're just less orderly."

Comment by James M. Martin on July 3, 2012 at 1:00pm

sk8eycat, really now, Fanny Mail?!

Comment by Ian Mason on July 3, 2012 at 12:36pm

Comment by Plinius on July 3, 2012 at 1:02am

Sk8eycat, I'm sorry about your loss. I find that the people we lose stay with us, in the sense that we look at the world partly in the ways they taught us. And we even continue the dialogues we had with them, because we knew them so well. So let go and cherish her memory.

Comment by sk8eycat on July 2, 2012 at 10:34pm

Judith started writing her Happy Heretic columns on the net around 1994.  She wanted to help "fence-sitters," people who didn't know anybody else who had lost their faith, and felt that maybe they were wrong...or the only person in the world who was having doubts. She used humor and sarcasm to point out how ridiculous (and nasty) the buybull really is, and she had a section with links to other web sites for non-belevers. (There weren't all that many back then.)  I didn't find her web site until I first went on the net at a friend's house in 2000, I loved her writing, wrote my first "fan email," (that doesn't sound right...) and I guess I made her laugh, because she wrote back.  When I finally got my own (used) Gateway in 2001, we just kept writing to each other....and then there were occasional phone calls when we'd just forget about religious/atheist issues andjust do "girl-talk"...cooking, men, pets.

I need to get in touch with some of her other long-time friends...her webmaster did have access to her computer & address book, but I don't know if he still does.  The Sheriff's dept. may have grabbed it.

There are a lot of other Heretic fans all over the world who are feeling lost and bewildered right now.  There are still things I want to talk to her about...and I can't  8>/

Everyone here is helping, though, and I thank you all very much.

Comment by Joe Meyer on July 2, 2012 at 9:15pm

Sorry to hear about your friend, Judith,  sk8eycat.

Comment by sk8eycat on July 2, 2012 at 7:11pm

James, I don't want to scratch a believer.  I like to keep my nails clean.

Comment by James M. Martin on July 2, 2012 at 5:54pm

sk8eycat, I just learned from Hitchens's first chapter that his mother was a suicide and that one of my favorite atheist issues, death and dying, and in particular the concept of consciousness, actually was a concern of Lucretius.  Atheists say death is not to be feared because one was not conscious before birth, nor will they be conscious afterward.  I forget how Lucretius put it, but here is that delightful old Epicurean's devotion to a friend, words I want to be of use to you now: "But still your merit, and as I hope, the joy/ Of our sweet friendship, urge me to any toil."  When a friend of mine passes, I also think of Donne, who was both poetically and scientifically right (I am thinking of the implicate order of Bohm) when he likened a clod falling into the ocean as an injury to all one's country.  (As you know, it is silly to belabor Donne's Christianity.)

 

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