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Afrodisiacs – African Aphrodisiacs

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Am I so old and not know the definition of aphrodisiac, and its historical definition being based on Aphrodite, that her name came from the African drugs that Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans used for sexual enhancement? Dhu!  Aphrodite, ancient Greek…Continue

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Degrees of Doubt: The Claims and Credentials of Ravi Zacharias (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris May 17. 1 Reply

Anyone here ever run onto an apologist by the name of Ravi Zacharias?  I've seen his name dropped multiple times on YouTube as supposedly being THE ONE APOLOGIST that no atheist wants to cross swords with, because of his facility with christian…Continue

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The Most Hated Woman in America (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Gary S Apr 19. 7 Replies

Before Aron Ra and Matt Dillahunty, before Dawkins or Dennett or Harris or even Hitchens, there was Madalyn Murray O'Hair.  In the midst of an America where Christianity was being flaunted as a defense against the godless communists of the Soviet…Continue

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Proud Dad is REALLY Proud Now!

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Todd Williams Apr 12. 16 Replies

As some of you may or may not know, my daughter is a television news producer, currently working in Nashville, Tennessee.  Her assignment is the morning news, which means she blasts herself up at umpti-ump in the morning to organize and prepare a…Continue

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attacking ideas (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 1 Reply

Attacking ideas is a considerable portion of what we as atheists do.  Why attack ideas?  Ideas earn attack when they don't serve people, not just us but those who adopt said ideas, mistakenly thinking that they have value when they don't.  Our…Continue

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bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 40 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

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Comment by Loren Miller on June 19, 2017 at 12:52pm

Meanwhile, I attended the wedding of one of my wife's sons and his girlfriend this past Saturday.  Between 2009 and now they've had four kids together and about two years ago decided to tie the knot.  I was especially pleased to see the return of the same secular officiant who performed the ceremony not quite a year back with another of my wife's kids.

Another of the benefits of secular ceremonies: BREVITY!  I don't think the whole thing went 15 minutes!

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 19, 2017 at 11:57am

The wedding was between my second cousin and his girlfriend.  They are in their late twenties and completely normal and great people.  The bride's father is one of the priests of this church and he participated in marrying them, so I can imagine the insanely intense pressure put upon these two to have such a wedding ceremony.  They have been dating for 8 or 9 years and they are a great couple.  I know that they don't subscribe to the whole "man in charge/woman subservient" bullshit.  For myself, no matter how much I loved someone, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to participate in such a ceremony, even just for show.    

Like I said, it sure was an interesting experience with many raised eyebrows and eye rolls from me.  I was sitting between two of my non-religious cousins, so we were able to share several whispered jokes between us.  One priest chanted the story from the bible about the wedding celebration where the wine runs out and Jesus changes barrels of water to wine.  It was strange to hear the bible chanted throughout the service instead of spoken.  My biggest takeaway from the experience is that despite all the flashy pomp and circumstance, the priestly robes, the metered application of incense at certain locations, two priests seeming needed to kiss the gold plated cover of the bible, etc., is that absolutely none of these ritualistic acts are mentioned in the bible.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 19, 2017 at 6:58am

Carl, I would have had to grit my teeth and fight the urge to walk-out.  That's what I did at my brother's wedding.  Fought the urge and stayed in my seat.  What insanity.

Comment by Ian Mason on June 19, 2017 at 3:00am

Joan, I agree wholeheartedly. John Lydon (Johnny Rotten of Sex Pistols fame) has later said of the 70s that it was the decade when 'the working class forgot it was a class,'

An interesting bit of time travel, Carl. It's strange that such things survive but people seem to put up with the absurd as long as it's 'traditional.'

Comment by Plinius on June 19, 2017 at 2:48am

Sounds like a special experience, Carl, but I thought the women who wold put up with a 'head of the family' had died out by now...

Comment by Daniel W on June 18, 2017 at 10:28pm

Wow Carl!  That sounds like an adventure!

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 18, 2017 at 6:33pm

Carl, what an interesting experience. What kinds of feelings did it evoke in you? 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 18, 2017 at 6:26pm

Last weekend I was with my family.  We drove to Indianapolis for a family wedding.  It was a very fun time.  The wedding reception was in an old 1928 vaudeville/movie theater.  Lots of character. Very neat venue.  Fountain Square Theatre  

The wedding, itself, was one for the ages....the Dark Ages!  It was in an Orthodox Church of America.  Basically, it's Russian Orthodox but in English.  I've been to Catholic weddings before, but not like this one.  This was truly old school.  Ninth Century old school.  Hardly anything was spoken, it was all sung or chanted by three priests and a choir.  There wasn't an organ.  Thank goodness the choir was really excellent.  We all sat there in a cloud of incense while everything was repeated three times (because the Trinity, you know.)  And it was firmly stated that the man is the head of the household and the woman is subservient, and the purpose of the union is to prosper with children.  

I have to say it was a very visually stunning church, with all the painted panels of icons and murals, but quite ridiculous and bizarre.  But that was only one hour out of all our time together. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 18, 2017 at 6:20pm

Fathers, I wish each one of you a day full of wonder, a day that you feel the love and appreciation of all those whom you fathered and raised! Being a father has the responsibility to "husband" his little family, and takes on a mighty task. A lot depends on you for the health and happiness of your unit! I extend my gratitude to you for all the time and effort required to do the job well. 

A healthy child needs a father who happily takes on the challenges of raising sons and daughters. I acknowledge and recognize the value of fathers in a child's life. 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on June 18, 2017 at 6:00pm

Yes, Happy Father's Day to all parties involved!

Randall, that sounds like a fun time coming up with your family.

 

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