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Degrees of Doubt: The Claims and Credentials of Ravi Zacharias (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris May 17. 1 Reply

Anyone here ever run onto an apologist by the name of Ravi Zacharias?  I've seen his name dropped multiple times on YouTube as supposedly being THE ONE APOLOGIST that no atheist wants to cross swords with, because of his facility with christian…Continue

Tags: Ravi Zacharias, Steve Baughman, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

The Most Hated Woman in America (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Gary S Apr 19. 7 Replies

Before Aron Ra and Matt Dillahunty, before Dawkins or Dennett or Harris or even Hitchens, there was Madalyn Murray O'Hair.  In the midst of an America where Christianity was being flaunted as a defense against the godless communists of the Soviet…Continue

Tags: Frank Zindler, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews, Madalyn Murray O'Hair

Proud Dad is REALLY Proud Now!

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Todd Williams Apr 12. 16 Replies

As some of you may or may not know, my daughter is a television news producer, currently working in Nashville, Tennessee.  Her assignment is the morning news, which means she blasts herself up at umpti-ump in the morning to organize and prepare a…Continue

Tags: Emmy, news, television, daughter, dad

attacking ideas (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 1 Reply

Attacking ideas is a considerable portion of what we as atheists do.  Why attack ideas?  Ideas earn attack when they don't serve people, not just us but those who adopt said ideas, mistakenly thinking that they have value when they don't.  Our…Continue

Tags: ideas, Islam, TheraminTrees

bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 40 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

The Playboy Interview: Richard Dawkins

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Mar 28. 16 Replies

I suppose it was the news that Playboy magazine was returning nudes to its pages after a year's hiatus that sufficiently perked my curiosity to check them out again.  I hadn't looked at Playboy since perhaps 2008, when I began to recognize that I…Continue

Tags: Richard Dawkins, Playboy

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Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on April 13, 2013 at 1:31pm

Flying Atheist, Argument cat’s a keeper. I nearly rolled off of my chair laughing. I just had to put it in No Nonsense too.

Ian, appreciating the arts is great too. We can’t all have the same aptitude profiles, life would be too boring. I get an F on punning, for example.

Grumpy cat is a sweet girl, good to know. Thanks GrinningCat. Did you post that logicalfallacies link in No Nonsense?

Love Snack Cat LOL booklover. Every time I sit in my recliner to have a snack, within seconds our two cats are there with me asking for their snacks too. That expression captures the moment well.

Comment by sk8eycat on April 13, 2013 at 1:13pm

Oh!  I'm laughing at Snack Cat and Argument Cat!  Thank you both!

To Chris and Joseph...Dr. Liz said that Prednizone might help reduce some of the swelling because the tumor is pushing his esophagus and trachea to the side, and eventually he'll have difficulty swallowing.  We're trying to delay that. I did not ask her "how long?" when we were in the clinic...I don't think I want to know just yet.

And, yes, it's "people Prednizone."  (A very tiny dose, 0.01ml once a day)  Most all meds that vets use on mammals are the same stuff we use.  This is nasty, but all pharmaceutical companies test new drugs on animals before they ever test them on humans.  The ironic thing is that the one family of drugs that helps so many humans (myself included) is useless or lethal for dogs and cats...simple pain meds. Especially aspirin.

In the meantime, I'm going to be sans computer till the 26th.  I'll try to check in with you all before I leave tomorrow. (Sue is picking me up around 6 or 7 PM, and we're having dinner at a little hole-in-the-wall that serves the most dee-lishus barbecued pork chow fun I've ever tasted. I NEED a treat!)

I've been thinking about buying some alphabet pasta ever since I saw that black cat...tee-hee!  That really is such a great remark to use on the doorbell ringers.

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 13, 2013 at 11:54am

Melinda, I love the look on Snack Cat's face.

Argument Cat is funny FA.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on April 13, 2013 at 10:58am

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 13, 2013 at 7:26am

G-Cat, thanks for the Logical Fallacy website.  I try to read about fallacies often so I can avoid making them in my arguments.  

It would also be a good thing if I could remember their names, but that's tough.

However, I'm always pleased to see that I recognize a lot of the fallacies and don't make them myself, even though I can't give them a name.

Comment by Grinning Cat on April 13, 2013 at 4:53am

In Ex-Adventists, Jen Phoenix shares an "awesome" website listing and explaining logical fallacies: http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

It turns out arguments for belief in God are well represented in the examples! There's also a bad argument or two for nonbelief -- but we shouldn't forget the "fallacist's fallacy": an unsound argument might have a conclusion that's true for other reasons. An example would be figuring that 16/64 = 16/64 = 1/4.

The page on Appeal to Consequences has a revealing slip that made me smile:

Both of these arguments are fallacious because ... all they do is appeal to the consequences of belief in God.... Neither argument, though, provides any evidence for Santa's existence.

And some pure silliness that exemplifies the "post hoc" fallacy:

(1) Most people who are read the last rites die shortly afterwards.
Therefore:
(2) Priests are going around killing people with magic words!

Comment by Grinning Cat on April 13, 2013 at 4:07am

"Give peas a chance" -- I love it, Ruth!

Joan, I'm glad you read and appreciated my comment on humanistic Jewish views of the Sabbath. The idea of a day of rest for ordinary working people was a huge social reform!

Patricia, I saw an interview of Grumpy Cat (a.k.a. Tardar Sauce) and one of her humans. Yes, Grumpy Cat is a girl, and she's actually a very sweet and sociable kitty who was purring when the interviewer held her.

Thanks Melinda, Joan, and Ruth, I'm glad you like my visual response. Most things are better with cats! I'm lucky to have "inherited" a computer with Photoshop -- about half of which is over my head -- but you can do such things with many image editing programs, including the free "GIMP". I used the magic wand to "erase" the white dots, leaving them as transparent holes, then put the cat on a layer underneath.

(Photoshop geeks: I used a layer mask. Before using the magic wand, I'd tried selecting the dots all at once based on gray level, but that either got light bits of background or left jagged, aliased edges. If there were hundreds of dots I'd have worked out a more automatic method.)

Comment by Ian Mason on April 13, 2013 at 3:52am

Sorry to hear about Jerry, Felaine. I'm sure you'll be a great care giver for him.

I agree that it's a good thing to be science literate but I just can't manage it. Even if I do understand explanations I forget them again, sometimes within minutes. If numbers are involved then it's a waste of everyone's time. By the time the explanation's come to an end I've forgotten the beginning. Just let me revel in the arts and I'm happy.

Comment by Plinius on April 13, 2013 at 1:01am

Prednizone when it's cancer? A few years ago my vet told me that prednizone can also boost cancer growth. Thinking of you and Jerry, Sk8eycat!

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on April 13, 2013 at 12:14am

GrinningCat, that's great! Quite an improvement.

Sorry to hear about your cat Jerry, sk8eycat. We're with you. Spoil him. Great Big Bird. Finally relevant to today.

Thanks for the video, Joan. I like "If you're scientifically literate,the world looks very different to you." This is such a profound and pervasive difference. One which I routinely failed to communicate to my students, despite my best efforts. "Science is the poetry of reality." is nice too.

LOL, Steph. Grumplestilksin! Give peas a chance! Thanks for cheering up my bedtime.

Booklover, sorry to hear about Dale's brush phobia. Have you tried one of those gloves with little rubbery things?

Hugs to all.

 

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