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bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Compelledunbeliever 21 hours ago. 37 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

punishing doubt (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller Sep 6. 0 Replies

If you are associated with religion and especially a fundamentalist religion, doubt is intolerable.  Certainty, however it may be achieved or imposed, becomes a necessary element, especially considering the utter dearth of any form of evidence or…Continue

Tags: religion, TheraminTrees, punish, doubt

We Don't Want Your (Atheist) Money! (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 2. 17 Replies

I suppose I've heard stories like this before:Conscientious atheist donates money to worthy cause.Worthy cause initially accepts money.Worthy cause discovers source of donation.Worthy cause rejects donation.Swell, eh?  Well Matt Willbourne of…Continue

Tags: American Baptist Churches Association, Murrow Indian Children's Home, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

The Whole Bible in 30 Seconds (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Randy Hatly Sep 2. 3 Replies

Ever decide that you wanted to read the whole bible, cover to cover, only to realize half-way through Deuteronomy that the darn thing is industrial-strength BORING?!?  Well, never fear!  America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, has done the Cliff's…Continue

Tags: bible, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Are You a Patriot? (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris G Aug 29. 22 Replies

You might think that Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, would be stepping outside of her comfort zone in tackling the concept of patriotism.  As it turns out, not only does she have a proper handle on the term and its implications, she also…Continue

Tags: patriot, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

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Comment by Ian Mason on September 20, 2014 at 11:56am

Sorry to hear that you're having a difficult time, Ruth. I hope things take a turn for the better soon.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on September 20, 2014 at 9:15am

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Comment by The Flying Atheist on September 20, 2014 at 9:13am

Joan, I had no idea you had first hand experience in dealing with the RCC in Spokane! 

Chicago is a VERY highly catholic city, so any news of this type is prominently featured in the local media ad nauseum.  (rolling my eyes with disdain.) 

Our current cardinal Francis George was criticized a few years ago for calling the gay community "Nazis" because our Sunday pride parade passed by the front of one of their parishes, thereby ruining the day for the parishioners.  How dare we! 

I see that Cupich was very vocal against the passage of Washington's same-sex marriage law.  And he is considered a "moderate" compared to the more conservative cardinal George. 

Comment by sk8eycat on September 20, 2014 at 9:10am

Ooooohhh!  I like that Hitchens quote; I'll have to remember that.

Comment by Plinius on September 20, 2014 at 4:14am

I've heard that before, people hanging on to their disease - and wondered why. Not being special, of course. I sometimes thought that they must be afraid to face the daily struggle. All the more reason to pity them, but quite horrible if you happen to live in the same house with them.

I remember a Hitchens quote - :"I'm not fighting cancer, the cancer is just killing me."

Comment by sk8eycat on September 20, 2014 at 2:13am

Chris, my objection to the neologism "battle" is when it's referring to diseases like cancer, AIDS, and other conditions that CAN be fatal. 

With Asperger's  the patient fighting him/hers-self, or the entire world.  (My sister is an Aspie.) No treatment for adults...and very intensive behavioral treatment for young children only seems to work about 50% of the time.  And any Aspie who was born before about 1985 was outta luck, anyway.  Nobody knew Jack Schidt about it.

My mom underwent 2 courses of chemo for metastatic lung cancer, and it didn't look like a battle to me.  She was extremely passive/submissive...to the point where I sometimes wanted to slap her.  "Whatcha want for dinner, Mom?"  "Ohhhhh.  I don't care."  IOW, "You don't need to feed me; just let me starve to death." 

That was NOT when she was on chemo...by  the end of the year she was completely cancer-free, and it never came back, but she was depressed that she didn't have cancer any more.  She wasn't "special."

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 20, 2014 at 1:27am

I need to clarify my interpretation of mother's behaviors that I witnessed at Morning Star. About a third of the mothers and fathers, if they were involved, had rigidly strict, unrealistic parenting styles. They didn't know age-appropriate behaviors and made demands that the boys simply were not able to perform. They used harsh punishment that generated either anger from the boys or timidity. These were the boys who were the bullies or the bullied. 

About a third of the parents were too lenient with their sons. They had no boundaries, no structure, and children just don't thrive in such a loose environment. Appropriate discipline did not happen and those boys tended to be wild, careless, took risks with lives and property. They just didn't think things through and my colleague called them "dyslogic". There was no this-then-that, no cause-and-effect thinking. 

About a third of the boy had parents who used good parenting skills, had clear communication between the parent and between parents and child.They set realistic behavior standards and used responsible discipline when needed. The parents showed love and caring and the boys felt secure. These boys tended to let peer pressure be their guide for how to behave. Some of them were in trouble with the courts because of truancy or shop-lifting or alcohol use. 

I designed a parent training model that I used in group sessions. Parents of all three types came to the classes and learned from each other. They could see the costs and benefits of each parenting style and the influences of peers on the age group of elementary through high school. 

Comment by Plinius on September 20, 2014 at 1:11am

It feels like battle, Sk8eycat, even when it's only Asperger's. Brother-in-law started a new battle against the world this week - first attacking my husband and me of course, because his little world in the care-home is not perfect. He discovered that the government wants to know about his affairs because he uses government money and facilities - nobody would object to questioning in this case. But b-i-l does of course! So he gave us and the care-home a week of tantrums, abuse and threats, starts to neglect his cat and himself, speaks ill of everyone who tries to take care of him, etc. On some days I'd like to cut the telephone wires and lock my door.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 20, 2014 at 1:06am

Carl, Chicago getting Spokane's bishop Cupich is not a good thing. I was subpoenaed for the trial of Father Joe, Morning Star Boys' Ranch director, because of my years working there as a social worker. While at the ranch, I watched carefully for any signs of sexual abuse and saw nothing that indicated abuse problems or inappropriate behavior between the boys and Father Joe or the other staff members.

What I did experience was the offensive way Father treated women, mothers, and staff members. He blamed mothers for their boys being in trouble, when in fact, it was distressed mothers coping with out of control boys that necessitated my designing a parent training program for the parents that linked with the training program I designed for the boys. Father should have defined the problem the boys presented as they came into the ranch and not blame the mothers. The boys were already conflicted with their mothers and didn't need a priest to confirm their clash with mom. 

The trial simply confirmed my perception that the church is a dysfunctional system that maintains and perpetuates dysfunctional thinking. The church settled out of court for an undisclosed amount, but I know it was considerable. Cupich was called in to clean up the mess after the settlements. He did the same old thing that religious do, after the boys reported sexual abuse, the church made claims that society didn't handle the sexual assaults well. 

EXCUSE ME! The church is supposed to be the moral anchor of a community. The church covered up the crimes and there is not enough money awarded to the boys for what the priests did to boys, nor what the church did to families by violating their trust.   

"The (Spokane) diocese declared bankruptcy in late 2004 to deal with scores of claims of sex abuse. The diocese and its 82 parishes agreed in 2007 to pay $48 million to 184 victims of sexual abuse. The deal forced the diocese to liquidate nearly all of its assets. 

"About two dozen more of those claims were settled as part of a larger deal with the Morning Star Boys Ranch."

Comment by sk8eycat on September 20, 2014 at 12:32am

Why does the press insist on using the terms "battle" and "fighting" when referring to someone undergoing treatment for a serious illness?  It brings some very strange images to my mind. Swords, boxing gloves, matadors.....

Stupid.

 

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