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bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

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The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

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punishing doubt (TheraminTrees)

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We Don't Want Your (Atheist) Money! (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 2. 17 Replies

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The Whole Bible in 30 Seconds (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Randy Hatly Sep 2. 3 Replies

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Are You a Patriot? (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris G Aug 29. 22 Replies

You might think that Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, would be stepping outside of her comfort zone in tackling the concept of patriotism.  As it turns out, not only does she have a proper handle on the term and its implications, she also…Continue

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Comment by sk8eycat on September 19, 2014 at 8:31am

I guess I've been reading everything I could get my hands on since childhood...starting with Kipling's "Just So Stories"...not to have strong feelings about books in general, and fantasy and SF in particular..

Forrest Ackerman's "invention" of the term "sci-fi" (he came up with that excrescence in the 1950s when high fidelity sound systems hit the market, and became "hi-fi") horrified SF writers and fans, and still does.  But then, Forrey (who often signed his name 4-E) was more of a movie fan and hanger-on than a reader.

Comment by Randall Smith on September 19, 2014 at 7:29am

As for my two cents worth: Except for Asimov and maybe Jules Verne, I was never a Sci-fi fan. I liked "real" science. Although written in 1949, Michener's "The Fires of Spring" was an inspiration to this young teenager in about 1960. I also loved "Caravans" ('63) and "The Source" ('65). "Hawaii" long and good, but I couldn't finish "Centennial".

Bertold, I enjoyed your eclectic photos on your home page.         Joan, I'm with you--an admitted "snob". I no longer read fiction, love biographies (reading about Robert E. Lee now), science and history. Unlike you, however, I do like music (classical and jazz).        

Comment by Plinius on September 19, 2014 at 2:00am

I read the Covenant by Michener - about South Africa. A very enjoyable genre; fiction fragments against a historical background.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 19, 2014 at 1:29am

I know, Felaine, my education is sadly lacking. I don't like fiction, don't care much for music, art shows don't appeal to me,  I don't like movies, I have no time whatsoever for games and I hate small talk. Snob is a good descriptor for me. It fits, I suppose, even though I have a few good qualities. (I'm laughing). I think we can add boring to a label for me. I don't think I disparage fiction. I just don't enjoy it. 

Anyway, I like your comment and you are probably right. 

Comment by k.h. ky on September 18, 2014 at 11:33pm
I've gotten to check out Mitchner again. I remember enjoying his books but don't remember which ones. I can read the same books and not remember how they end. Same thing with movies.
Comment by sk8eycat on September 18, 2014 at 10:51pm

I have never trusted people who disparage fiction. When I hear someone say, "Oh, I never read fiction," I hear a snob.

It's the best way to get a handle on human psychology , for one thing, and Fantasy and SF are wonderful at exploring "What IF..."  As in what if we returned to the moon and established a permanent base after the Apollo program?.  Or "What if Einstein was wrong, and we will be able to travel faster than light?"

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 18, 2014 at 10:34pm

Mindy, those Mitchner books were great! I didn't read The Source. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 18, 2014 at 9:51pm

Count me among the non-sci-fi enthusiasts. Fiction just holds no interest for me. I very much liked To Kill A Mockingbird, and some biographies and histories. James Mitchner held my attention because he included so many elements, including geology, history, politics, and stuff like that. 

I love the writing of Carl Sagan, Brian Greene, Jared Diamond, Brian Cox, David Suzuki. Well, it is obvious that I like science. 

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on September 18, 2014 at 8:26pm

@Nick - Back in the day, I thought Harlan Ellison was one of the finer writers in the genre. William Gibson's Neuromancer upped the ante for its time as well.

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 18, 2014 at 1:00pm

Yes, A Fall of Moondust was by Arthur C. Clarke.  I just looked-it-up on Wikipedia, Read the very condensed story, and didn't remember one bit of it.  I should read it again one day.

 

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