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Steven Weinberg on his anti-theism

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Loren Miller yesterday. 4 Replies

I like the sound of Steven Weinberg's voice. He has a calming impact on me as I rush to get my home of 41 years ready to sell and plan and put into motion the new garden at my daughter's home. My home is full o empty boxed quickly filling with the…Continue

Goodwill to Few Men (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Donald R Barbera Jul 23. 3 Replies

Think Goodwill Industries does well by the poor?  Fact is, they do WAY BETTER for themselves, to the point where America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, thinks they're ripping off the christian playbook a bit too well!  Have a look for yourself:…Continue

Tags: ripoff, Goodwill Industries, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Your favorite photobombs?

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Plinius Jul 10. 12 Replies

Running of the bulls photobomb.Continue

losing faith (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller Jul 5. 0 Replies

TheraminTrees has recently begun producing a new series of YouTube videos, which added to a wonderful library of earlier observations regarding his experience of religion. Good as all those pieces are, I personally think they pale against this…Continue

Tags: story, history, faith, TheraminTrees

Betty Explains Religious Freedom (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 3. 10 Replies

Well, considering all the RFRA bills popping up all over the United States, plus all the fun and games ISIS is bringing to the good folks in Syria and Iraq, Betty Bowers, the epitome of well-dressed christianity, has decided to clarify the true…Continue

Tags: persecution, ISIS, Religious Freedom, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner May 6. 82 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

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Comment by Loren Miller on March 25, 2014 at 7:50am

Joan, I'd be curious to know where you found that "Take sides" Heinlein quote.  I think of myself as knowing RAH pretty well, but I don't think I've run onto that one before.  If you have a source for the quote, I'd love to see it.

Comment by sk8eycat on March 24, 2014 at 9:35pm

I don't think so.  The context was something about people in Virginia and New England who were/are obsessed with their lineage; whose ancestors arrived there earliest, etc.  They tended to snub "newcomers" whose families had only been there since the end of the Civil War.  Or something like that.

I'm sure it was in a novel, but the author could have gotten it from her own research...she's the kind of person who has been soaking up history like a sponge since childhood.  Rita Mae Brown.  (I was NOT reading one of her Sneaky Pie kitty mysteries!  Although I enjoy them, and we do have most of them.  tee-hee!)

http://www.ritamaebrown.com/content/index.asp

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 24, 2014 at 9:30pm

There are many of my family and friends who say forget the past, move on. That would be fine, if the past were not repeating before my eyes. So I now have these comebacks that you all cited:

A generation which ignores history has no past -- and no future.

-- Robert A. Heinlein

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.“ 

~ George Santayana

"I think we have to act with the consciousness of the past and awareness of the present in order to address the future.  We can't afford the blinders that others would superimpose on us."

~ Loren Miller 

"We do have to look behind, at least to know and acknowledge what has happened before us." 

~ Loren Miller

and I found this one while looking up details:

“Take sides! Always take sides! You will sometimes be wrong — but the man who refuses to take sides must always be wrong.”

~  Robert A. Heinlein

 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 24, 2014 at 9:11pm

Felaine, I was curious, too, about the quote you cite and tried to find its source. This is one possibility: 

“A culture that worships the past is decadent.”

This may have come from the writings of a fundamentalist christian or from others of that persuasion: 

“Much of ancient Israel’s plight, well documented throughout the Old Testament, was its insatiable thirst for pagan nature worship. This of course was in direct violation of the first two commandments of the Mosaic Law which commanded Israel not to worship any other false god or idol (Exodus 20:3-4). The reason why Israel was forbidden to worship other gods, the natural created order, and idols, was given in Genesis. Genesis 1 presents to the reader an ultimate Creator who made the universe out of nothing through His omnipotent spoken word, and then climaxed the creation process with the making of man in His own image."

(emphasis mine)

Baalism's Suicidal Nature Worship and Sexual Decadence

Comment by Loren Miller on March 24, 2014 at 5:27pm

A generation which ignores history has no past -- and no future.
-- Robert A. Heinlein

Comment by sk8eycat on March 24, 2014 at 3:43pm

Oh, I believe Santayana's remark about repeating the past. 

There was another observation that I read last night that a culture that worships the past is decadent.  I'm sorry that I can't give you a reference...I was scanning quotes on the net, and doing the same with several different books, including a couple of fantasy novels.  It may have been a Heinlein quote...I just don't remember.

Comment by Loren Miller on March 24, 2014 at 2:00pm

sk8ey, the only way I would amend Kennedy's statement is to recognize that we do have to look behind, at least to know and acknowledge what has happened before us.  Too well do I know the famous statement made by George Santayana about those not knowing the past being condemned to repeat it.  I think we have to act with the consciousness of the past and awareness of the present in order to address the future.  We can't afford the blinders that others would superimpose on us.

And I think I speak for all here when I say we won't wear 'em.

Comment by sk8eycat on March 24, 2014 at 12:32pm

Mindy, I don't know what "spirituality" means anymore...and I'm sure that most people who use any form of it don't know what they're talking about, either.  Here's a more concise version of the same statement:

Comment by sk8eycat on March 24, 2014 at 12:30pm

Randall, I want daylight in the morning so I can see where stuff is without turning on every light in the house...(It doesn't "save" energy...it just shifts the time of peak usage.)

I really want to know the rationale for the whole thing...

Do farm animals set their internal clocks ahead on someone's say-so?  Of course not!  Same goes for wild animals, and the ones who live with us...."Why are you feeding/walking me now?"  (Of course most dogs I've known will eat and go "walkies" any time.)

Comment by Randall Smith on March 24, 2014 at 8:28am

Indiana succumbed to DST a few years back. I hate it. I'll skip all my reasons, but basically, it has to do with me being a morning person. And I want daylight in the morning, darkness after supper. It's the opposite now.

 

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