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Picture yourself spending some time with congenial friends, sharing your lives and pictures from your cell phones." They're curious about that cool game, song, movie, camping trip, art show, or other event that fascinated you. You talk about all kinds of stuff, poetry, styles, personal achievements, relationships, and bad days. You can share your inner child, and laugh together. They sympathetically listen to your feelings about serious topics like politics or climate change, even when they don't agree.

Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Compelledunbeliever 11 hours ago. 37 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

punishing doubt (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller Sep 6. 0 Replies

If you are associated with religion and especially a fundamentalist religion, doubt is intolerable.  Certainty, however it may be achieved or imposed, becomes a necessary element, especially considering the utter dearth of any form of evidence or…Continue

Tags: religion, TheraminTrees, punish, doubt

We Don't Want Your (Atheist) Money! (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 2. 17 Replies

I suppose I've heard stories like this before:Conscientious atheist donates money to worthy cause.Worthy cause initially accepts money.Worthy cause discovers source of donation.Worthy cause rejects donation.Swell, eh?  Well Matt Willbourne of…Continue

Tags: American Baptist Churches Association, Murrow Indian Children's Home, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

The Whole Bible in 30 Seconds (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Randy Hatly Sep 2. 3 Replies

Ever decide that you wanted to read the whole bible, cover to cover, only to realize half-way through Deuteronomy that the darn thing is industrial-strength BORING?!?  Well, never fear!  America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, has done the Cliff's…Continue

Tags: bible, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Are You a Patriot? (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris G Aug 29. 22 Replies

You might think that Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, would be stepping outside of her comfort zone in tackling the concept of patriotism.  As it turns out, not only does she have a proper handle on the term and its implications, she also…Continue

Tags: patriot, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

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Comment by Ian Mason on April 8, 2014 at 11:46pm

Well done, Joan. You have, as we say in England, bottle.

Patricia, I too search hard for a daily laugh or smile.

Loren, I'm glad you enjoyed your evening but I wouldn't attend myself. I used to take part in debates on Dawkin's website but soon tired of the sycophancy. "I can never be as good an atheist as Richard" was the comment that finally turned me off. Hero worship just isn't a part of my nature.

Comment by sk8eycat on April 8, 2014 at 9:11pm

"Do you really believe that a female was made from the rib of a male?"  OR "In the case of parthenogenesis, how did a woman give birth to a son?  Where did the 'Y' chromosome come from?"

Why didn't YHWH tell his "chosen people" that the earth is NOT flat?

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 8, 2014 at 8:30pm

Please don't misunderstand me. In 1974, when I was first trying to break away from being a victim, I used violence in return to my father. I would do it again. 

However, I find being unattached a better strategy when dealing with believers, especially the kind that want laws enacted that restrict my judgment, i.e. I will fight:

1) those who want to take away the right of a woman to have control over her own body and

2) those who want intelligent design taught in public schools.

In those cases, they intrude on my rights as a human being and an adult. 

In other encounters, I use the Socratic process: 

Do you really believe there is a supernatural energy who made heaven and Earth? 

or a supernatural energy impregnated a woman? 

or a virgin gave birth to a son? 

or a man who had supernatural power lived on the Earth? 

or in a supernatural spirit? 

or a supernatural man died, was buried, descended into hell? 

or a supernatural man who rose from being dead three days?

or a supernatural man ascended into heaven? 

or do you believe you are part of a group chosen by a supernatural being entitled to redemption? 

or that I have to testify that So-or-so is my lord and master? 

or in the communion of saints? 

or the forgiveness of sin? 

or the resurrection of the body? 

or in a life everlasting? 

As I hear their answers, I take note of them; then ask for the evidence they can give to validate their beliefs. 

There is no need to memorize scripture; all you need to remember are the basic principles of what is real and what is delusion. 

No argument is necessary; it is a strategy to ask and hear their answers. Not to argue with them, or challenge them, or to convert them. I simply want to get the question out into the air and hear their responses. The individual with whom I am in conversation may not ever give thought to what I am asking and their answer. But if there is an audience, especially if the audience is young, they have an opportunity to ask themselves whether these things are true or not. 

It is none of my business what another thinks. It is my business to speak my thoughts. The other can scream, shout, pout, cry, plead, demand, threaten, bully or try to dominate. Just come back with a basic question, "Do you really believe ....?" Leave questions in the air. 

Comment by Brent Feeney on April 8, 2014 at 5:44pm

You're right Joan. I shoulda stood up and basically told him to turn me in - and to shove it up a certain portion of his anatomy. That's my fault. I'm not gonna let it happen again.

That's an interesting story as well. Thanks for sharing. Hope you're doing well.

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 8, 2014 at 4:22pm

I love how you stand up to bullies Joan.

Comment by Loren Miller on April 8, 2014 at 4:05pm

And as promised, here's my Postscript to The Unbelievers event last night.  Turns out, it was as big a deal as the movie was, to me, anyway.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 8, 2014 at 4:00pm

Felaine, what a funny site. Thanks for the lead. I will surely make a daily visit there as I prepare for a perfectly wonderful day! 

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 8, 2014 at 3:55pm

Brent, each person has to make their own decisions about how to respond to bullies. 

As for myself, every bully I ever stood up to backed down like a splat of snot. I have stood up in court when challenged on a child abuse case, I have faced down a plumber who told me he knew what he was doing, when he clearly was making a mess of the project. 

I guess fear goes after one has acquiesced as I did for 38 years. One day my dad came at me with his fist when we disagreed on how I was to manage my kids. I was 38, my kids were 10 years. old. We had run from an abusive husband and father. As my father approached me with his fist drawn back, I, sitting, lifted both my feet and shoved him as hard as I could. He did a back flop, the other side of a belly flop, and it knocked him out. When he came to consciousness I was standing over him and told him if her ever touched me I would sue him for everything he has and see that he got jail time. 

That was the end of my fear. Once one crosses the line of being a victim to being in charge of ones' life, everything changes.

I am smart enough to know there are some situations over which I have no control, but with a little forethought, one can usually dodge the bullets and blows. 

Stand tall, head held high, shoulders firm, feet anchored to the ground, a spine of steel and face the foe with competence and confidence. You do not exist to be a victim, nor a bully. You are human being worthy of respect and able to take care of yourself. 

There are times you need help, or a shoulder to cry on. That is perfectly healthy and appropriate. So pick your friends carefully and get rid of the bullies in your life. 
Happy Days! 

Comment by sk8eycat on April 8, 2014 at 3:53pm

Patricia, Joan, and Spud...I recommend a daily visit to LOLcats (or the Hotdogs page) until you get tired of it.  Some of the other divisions of Cheezburger are...well...sick, but they may occasionally give some people a laugh or two.  But the cats are still the best for giggles and AWWWWs.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 8, 2014 at 1:17pm

Loren, Loren, Loren! You did it! Good for you. 

Thanks for the lead to your blog! 

 

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