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Did the American Revolution produce significant benefits for women, native Americans, blacks, propertyless white males, and indentured servants?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner 8 hours ago. 3 Replies

Did the American Revolution produce significant benefits for native Americans, blacks, propertyless white males, and indentured servants?On blacks:"We think they are not, and that they are not included, and were not intended to be included…. They…Continue

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Men who challenge men to stop violence

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Many men join in the effort to reduce violence against women and children and other men. He speaks of the need to place responsibility on men instead of focusing on women to stop violence. He offers a breath of fresh air, as do so many of the men on…Continue

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Comment by Joan Denoo on May 25, 2013 at 3:45pm

Ruth, no need to say "Sorry". You always bring out aspects that my enthusiasm misses and I appreciate your comment. 
I believe a transformation is taking place in which we realize that agriculture closer to home, and using non-GMO seeds will become recognized as necessary. Also, we have got to find ways to stop fossil fuel use, and one way is to not ship garlic from China when we grow superior garlic right here. Going back to an easier lifestyle is not a reality. Pumping water from a well, growing all our own foods, perceiving nature as having the answers to all things, is not a viable option. 

You quite correctly note vague and non-scientific solutions in her piece; it is strange to think outside of the traditions to which we have become accustomed. 

Let me see if I can flesh out some ideas. Food grown closer to consumption, living lower on the food chain, using natural cloth instead of from petroleum products, develop bamboo  to replace plastics and woods for building materials, smaller communities with neighborhood stores, bicycle lanes, work closer to home or in the home, work life more friendly to raising children and supporting family life, institute tax strategy that pulls taxes from investments and less draw on wages, universal health care, investments in education with more focus on sciences, re-introduce the feminine principle in politics and economics, use some strategy for values judgment, such as planning for the 7th generation ahead, including what is healthy for the planet, plan long term, challenge warring. Well that is a start. 

Now, how do we implement such ideas. Farmers who know the consequences of unsound agricultural practices can work together for agriculture reform. Agribusiness will not end, but agriculture needs to change. 

Climate change science can offer research and strategies to get off fossil fuels. The Petroleum industry will fight it, but they are small compared to the people who realize the need for change. 

Informed buyers can influence products and goods by their buying habits. WalMart has loyal customers, but because many of them do not understand the long term consequences of using such strategies and they benefit by the low prices.

Costco offers a viable option with non-slave conditions for manufactured goods they offer, and give health and retirement benefits to employees. That requires education of the public. 

Universal health care can be consumer generated; that requires education of the public. 

Honoring the roll of women and female principles is a cultural thing and well worthy of effort. So many men and women now understand how out-of-balance principles diminish quality of life. With better balance in family life, with needs of children considered, everyone benefits. 

I did not take into account the heating of farmlands around the world, however, eating lower on the food chain will pick up part of that; not all, by any means. We will be forced to change, that is the only sure thing I know. 

Yes, I jumped at Grace Lee Boggs' enthusiasm and more realistic thought needs to be done. I appreciate your words. 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on May 25, 2013 at 12:49pm

I'm somewhat cynical of the American Revolution described by Grace Lee Boggs. Even if there are more than a million small, barely visible, self-healing civic groups across the world which combine spiritual growth with practical action in their lives, its sounds vague, fragmented and anti-scientific to me.

"Many of these groups are inspired by a philosophy that replaces the scientific and reductive rationalism of seventeenth-century Western male philosophers (such as Descartes and Bacon) with the ways of knowing of Indigenous Peoples (which includes the perceptions of trees and animals) and of women, based on intimate connections with Nature and ideas of healing and caring that were part of European village culture prior to the sixteenth- and seventeenth-century ..." "... , most of us carry on this cultural revolution in our own way. For example, a doctor may decide to practice alternative medicine." source

The idea that retreat to indigenous people's knowledge and sixteenth century village culture can somehow topple the power of huge multinational corporations comes across to me as reactive rather than a bold new vision to manage the planet sustainably. How does this constructively address global overpopulation? How does it rethink large scale reorganization of economics, production, and consumption for a viable alternative to megacorporation-run globalization? Climate Destabilization is a global problem which will not be solved by local thinking and action alone, even if the locals are in touch via the internet. What I read in her first chapter sounds like idealization of earlier forms such as local agriculture. What worked well in the sixteenth century will not work at all in a hellish 6°C hotter planet.

While the values of closeness to nature will be an essential part of any sustainable culture, for me there's too much missing in this vision for me to buy into it.

Sorry, Joan.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 25, 2013 at 2:57am

Thanks Spud. I have some problems at both ends, and have good RX to quell the discomfort. I feel great, Was a bit weepy this morning and so dripped a little, but it went away as soon as I started reading comments on Atheist Nexus. I feel strong. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 25, 2013 at 2:53am

Tom, I'm reading. I want to know what they pay in taxes. Do you have figures?

Comment by tom sarbeck on May 25, 2013 at 2:04am

If you want to see some Democratic dogma, continue reading.

Where do corporations get the money to pay taxes on income?

Do they reduce the interest they pay to stock owners?

Do they raise the prices their customers pay?

Both of the above?

Somewhere else?

Do you want taxpayers to know what they pay in taxes?

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 25, 2013 at 1:21am

Patricia, I can't wait to see your remodel. What an exciting thing to have happening. We will celebrate with you in a virtual house warming. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 25, 2013 at 1:17am

This is the kind of Jaunting Cart I rode for two days in Killarney, Ireland, with an old Irish gentleman. I visited schools, hospitals, day care centers, old folks homes, and interviewed some of his relatives who were peasant people. Even though we did some sightseeing, I was not interested in the English estates or castles. I wanted to see workers' cottages, farms, and we ate in non-tourist Irish pubs. It was quite an experience. He was an Irish loyalist, through and through and so a perfect guide for my interests. He told me of the Irish famine and how his ancestors survived. A horrid story of greed, tyranny, and exploitation of the Irish. The famine was a political famine. There was plenty of food available, and the British owned the soil. Any poaching resulted in hanging. 

Killarney Jaunting Cart like I rode for two days doing my research. 

The Irish famine: Opening old wounds
http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2012/12/irish-famine

The Graves Are Walking
http://us.macmillan.com/thegravesarewalking/JohnKelly

The Famine Plot
http://www.palgrave.com/products/title.aspx?pid=485515

Killarney Jaunting Carts and scenes from Google

Comment by Ian Mason on May 25, 2013 at 12:53am

Very good words, Joan. There are too many petty dictators in the world and so many people that need a helping hand to escape from them.

Patricia, I hope your house is soon fully dressed in its new wardrobe. What colour are houses wearing this Spring?

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 25, 2013 at 12:06am

Grace Lee Boggs. This is a woman for our time. She has a message that must be echoed down the streets and highways of our nation. 

Grace Lee Boggs in Los Angeles

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on May 24, 2013 at 11:55pm

Joan, that graph's a stunning display of how corporations have evaded responsibility in the US. And every Republican bill that pretends to lower taxes is another way to limit their contribution even further. As the article says

"Another thing we can get mad about is how the "corporate tax reform" that Cook and other corporate leaders are always banging on about will actually serve to make it so companies pay even less in taxes than they do now."

What? There's no quote button in comments now? *ack*

I loved the ducks learning to love water video. Thanks!

Take good care of yourself. *HUG*

 

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