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Are You a Patriot? (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Compelledunbeliever 18 minutes ago. 4 Replies

You might think that Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, would be stepping outside of her comfort zone in tackling the concept of patriotism.  As it turns out, not only does she have a proper handle on the term and its implications, she also…Continue

Tags: patriot, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

We Don't Want Your (Atheist) Money! (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat 7 hours ago. 11 Replies

I suppose I've heard stories like this before:Conscientious atheist donates money to worthy cause.Worthy cause initially accepts money.Worthy cause discovers source of donation.Worthy cause rejects donation.Swell, eh?  Well Matt Willbourne of…Continue

Tags: American Baptist Churches Association, Murrow Indian Children's Home, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

The Ark Encounter: A Less than Grand Opening (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat on Monday. 24 Replies

The day finally arrived.  Ken Ham's Ark Encounter opened on 7 July, 2016 ... to something a bit less than Disney-sized crowds, and more than a couple dissenting voices!  Seth Andrews has gathered a quartet of significant participants in the protest…Continue

Tags: Tracey Moody, Dan Broadbent, Seth Andrews, David Silverman, AronRa

Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Idaho Spud Aug 14. 91 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

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Wedding Haka - Subtitled & translated

Started by Joan Denoo Aug 13. 0 Replies

I ran across a video of a wedding in which a group of wedding guests celebrated with a performance of a traditional Māori ancestral war dance, called a Haka. It was intended for sons, however, the women have joined in a participation of…Continue

Tags: new, traditions., women, men, Haka

Onward (Unpaid) Christian Soldiers (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris G Aug 13. 1 Reply

Proselytizing in the military is a dirty little secret most radical christians would rather didn't get out.  Well, never let it be said that America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, was ever a wallflower where a pit bull was needed!  In the following…Continue

Tags: Military Religious Freedom Foundation, MRFF, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

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Comment by Idaho Spud on March 22, 2013 at 9:40am

Haha!  Sorry Rover, no way!

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 22, 2013 at 9:13am

I'm another one that doesn't understand the meaning of the word meme, even though I've read Dawkins, Wikipedia, and several people on the net explain it.  

I've just about given-up on trying to understand it.  As far as I can tell, it's not necessary for me to understand it, and I have much more enjoyable things to think about and do.

Maybe it's just part of my curmudgeonliness, but there are a number of new words that I don't see any reason to use or understand.  Most of them seem to have old words that describe what the new word does, sometimes even better.

Comment by sk8eycat on March 22, 2013 at 4:19am

LOL!  I've had a problem for decades; I have had my nose in one book or another since I learned to read, and friends always say, "Why don't you write a book?"  Sheesh! I can outline a simple plot idea, but that's about as far as I can go.  I can't imagine characters in detail, and my dialog tends to run to one-liners and puns.  And that's IT.

My favorite authors (living and dead) make the reader see, hear, and feel their characters without actually describing them in any detail. I can't do that.  I think it's an inborn talent, and whatever talent I have ever had is/was physical. I can choreograph in my head, but I can't explain it to anybody else.  I just listen to music and know what moves belong when.  And the shape my body has been in for the past 25 years, I can't do the moves anymore.

So I read and enjoy it.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 22, 2013 at 2:31am

Oh, I think I see my problem, I enjoy seeing memes, I am just not clever at creating them. Oh well, so what else is new; I'm not good at a lot of things and I am very good at a lot of things. Creating memes is not one of my strengths. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 22, 2013 at 2:24am

sk8eycat, I like what you wrote and your experience. I know the fog will lift at some point and I will say "why did I make such a deal out of this; it is only ....!" 

I looked up Judith Hayes and read only a little bit and like what I read. Sorry to learn of her suicide and its impact on you. I look forward to looking into more of what she had to say. 

Comment by sk8eycat on March 22, 2013 at 1:43am

Joan, I'm not stupid, either, but I'm not exactly highly educated, and I have never *grokked* the meme concept, either. I have read The God Delusion three times, and reread certain sections more times than that, and I still don't understand a lot of what Dawkins is trying to say.

I have had a long-standing problem with a lot of writers in the field...they use another language that I call Academish, and I don't understand it.

That's why I was so delighted when I first found Judith Hayes (The Happy Heretic) online about 12 years ago.  She "spoke" my language, and clearly explained many of the contradictions and nonsense in religions, particularly xianity.  We actually became friends...email and phone...and I was invited to come visit, but I never had the oppportunity.

And that's why I was so hurt and angry when she killled herself last year.  I miss her dreadfully.  I don't know if her columns are still archived online, I haven't looked, but she always made sense...she didn't use vague terms like "meme," ...until she kinda went off the rails when her husband died.  You might find her books (she wrote 2) at half.com.  You can search by author.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 22, 2013 at 1:00am

Let me see if I can get a little clearer on what I am trying to learn about meme. I read Dawkins' book and what Dennett had to say. I read the Wiki articles and still I don't get a feel for a meme. I know I am not stupid, even as I feel stupid in this case. Perhaps it is my lack of a sense of humor, in that case I will just enjoy what others create.

There is another aspect of this, too. It is I agree wholeheartedly with what Ruth describes as poo, or a virus that atheists spread, unintentionally. When I write or read something critical, I wonder if it is a virus.

Things I write about religion are my true thoughts based on my experiences. I am biased and I know that, but there are so many outrageous stories religious tell each other, i.e. that woman who describes how god kept her oil bottle full, Oh! I get shutters. 

Well, I don't want to dwell on this too long, and what I am really trying to discover is how to use a meme to expose stupidity while not spreading poo all over the place. 

Please feel free to alert me when I do such a thing. Kind of like what Dogly did for me today!. It hurt when I read it, but he told me the truth and I love him for that. 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on March 21, 2013 at 10:29pm

Joan you asked for examples of memes. It's like asking for examples of photographs or words, there are so many.

Waving to say "hello" is a nonverbal meme.

The shape of a knife is a meme embodied physically. It can be copied  and reproduced.

Any melody you like or don't like is a meme. The ones that are earworms are more successful in one way, propagating without your intent.

Tinkerbelle is a meme, as are all other fictional characters.

The name Joan is a meme.

Purses of all sorts are memes, as are all varieties of architecture, and of guitars, hairstyles and of vehicles.

Anything that can be imitated, remembered, thought about, communicated, and reproduced is a meme. A meme is a unit of culture.

Internet memes are only a small subset of memes. That use of the word "meme" is derivative and narrow.

BTW, Flying Atheist, thanks for the hilarious samples, especially the last one.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on March 21, 2013 at 10:07pm

Joan, without getting too detailed (which I'm probably not even knowledgeable enough to do) may I suggest you start by reading the Wikipedia article on Memes.  It's a very general and easily understood primer on the topic.  And also the more specific Internet meme article, also on Wikipedia. 

Here are just a few typical internet memes.  They are often related to current events or are just silly or very sarcastic in nature. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 21, 2013 at 9:14pm

OK you people with a firm understanding what memes are and how they work, how about giving us non-understanding people some examples of a really good meme that does its job. I think it will take just two or three to get us going. 

I don't intend to be mean with my memes, but I want to cut to the core of the issues I care about. Any coaches out there willing to help us make mastery of memes? 

 

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