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Picture yourself spending some time with congenial friends, sharing your lives and pictures from your cell phones." They're curious about that cool game, song, movie, camping trip, art show, or other event that fascinated you. You talk about all kinds of stuff, poetry, styles, personal achievements, relationships, and bad days. You can share your inner child, and laugh together. They sympathetically listen to your feelings about serious topics like politics or climate change, even when they don't agree.

Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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The Gun Industry's Killing in Killing (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris G on Wednesday. 15 Replies

America's Best Christian has finally acknowledged that there may be one outfit which has her belief system beat for it's leverage on the government.  No great surprise, it's the NRA and the gun industries.  Betty's a good loser, though.  She's made…Continue

Tags: NRA, guns, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

The Ark Encounter: A Less than Grand Opening (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller on Tuesday. 4 Replies

The day finally arrived.  Ken Ham's Ark Encounter opened on 7 July, 2016 ... to something a bit less than Disney-sized crowds, and more than a couple dissenting voices!  Seth Andrews has gathered a quartet of significant participants in the protest…Continue

Tags: Tracey Moody, Dan Broadbent, Seth Andrews, David Silverman, AronRa

The God of Cancer (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 18. 10 Replies

Seth Andrews has been through the mill as it comes to dealing with those who insist that their faith in a deity is not just valid but necessary to their lives and to all lives.  Having dealt with that gauntlet and come out the other side an atheist,…Continue

Tags: cancer, god, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

We Are America / Love Has No Labels (John Cena - Ad Council)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 10. 3 Replies

It seems to be a repeating pattern: I wander around the internet and inevitably, I stumble onto all manner of stuff.  It happens all the time on YouTube, and as you doubtless have deduced, yours truly tripped over something a couple minutes ago,…Continue

Tags: patriotism, labels, love, Ad Council, John Cena

In God We Trust? (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Qiana-Maieev Jul 4. 4 Replies

HEY, gang!  Your favorite America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers is BACK and just in time for the Fourth of July!!!  This time, she's hit it big, coming to us live and in color from the Capitol!  Seems as though she's as upset about this whole "In…Continue

Tags: congress, god, Jesus, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

NBC News Gives Ken Ham Free Advertising

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Jul 2. 13 Replies

Ordinarily I toggle between CBS News with Scott Pelley and NBC News with Lester Holt in the early evening, mostly to avoid commercials, but I'm wondering if I should give ABC's news division another chance after this evening's broadcast.  NBC…Continue

Tags: advertisement, Ken Ham, Ark Encounter, News, NBC

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Comment by The Flying Atheist on December 10, 2012 at 2:59am

Good morning, Chris.  I'm up late here suffering with a little bit of insomnia.  Regarding your question:  yes, it is true that the terms boyfriend and girlfriend are used in referencing a lover, as when two people are dating or are romantically involved. 

However, for females, the term 'girlfriend(s)' is also commonly used to describe acquaintances that are friends only and not lovers.  Example: "She spent a fun day out at the museum with her girlfriend(s)."  In this instance, the term 'girlfriend' is commonly used in both the singular and the plural forms in describing two female friends or even a group of female friends.   

For males, the term boyfriend is not commonly used in this manner, as your textbook states.  You generally do not hear a male say that he is meeting his boyfriends after work for dinner and a movie.  He is just meeting his friends, or his buddies, or his pals, etc.  (I guess it's kind of a macho/sexist "guy" thing.)  Of course, in the gay male community, the term 'girlfriend' is carelessly thrown about while speaking with, about, or describing other gay males.

I hope this helps explain our quirky language.

Comment by Plinius on December 10, 2012 at 2:12am

Question: I teach English to elderly people - nice to do, yes - but it's not as if I know so very much about English. One of the books I use says that ´boyfriend´ and ´girlfriend´ are strictly used for lovers, not for friends. So when I hear Booklover say girlfriend to Steph, I don't want to pry but I do want to know about your use of the language. Tell me more!

Comment by Steph S. on December 9, 2012 at 10:15pm

Oh hey Melinda - I noticed you asked about me. I've been busy getting the final grades entered and studying for finals. It's always so busy about this time. Thanks for asking about me. I appreciate it.

Comment by Steph S. on December 9, 2012 at 10:13pm

Comment by Steph S. on December 9, 2012 at 10:13pm

Booklover - love the lolcat. Sorry so behind here. Going to read back.

Love all the posts.

Comment by sk8eycat on December 9, 2012 at 6:07pm

Oh, rats! I messed up that last post (I want my hand back!), but you can still see the poster by clicking the link.  It's one of the best things I've seen in AGES! Are there any awards for political humor?
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Joan, Isaac Asimov said, or wrote, that the best argument in favor of atheism is the bible.  He's right.  At one time, my life was a mess (or I thought it was), so I decided to read the whole book from Genesis through Revelation to see if I could learn what I was doing wrong and how I could "fix" myself. (I had been carefully taught... that the answers to everything were in there)  By the time I finished I knew it was bullsh*t, but I read it a second time just to make sure.  It's BS, all right.

Annnnnnd, you do have to wonder why babies are born without any religion, and have to be taught.  If any of that stuff were real, you'd think belief would be instinctive...

Comment by sk8eycat on December 9, 2012 at 5:51pm
‎* LES MISÉRABLES *
They Dreamed a Dream of Time Gone By...

Click Image To Enlarge
Or For Full Size Poster go to: http://www.citizenschwartz.com/les-miserables-coulter/
Comment by Joan Denoo on December 9, 2012 at 4:45pm

Sk oh, I can never remember how to spell your lovely name. sk8eycat, I agree with you and Gore Vidal, "Silly!" And easy to set aside as some attempt to get "back" to "simpler" days when all the answers to serious questions came easily and cheaply from the pulpit. I can't understand how answers come from scripture, unless the answer is to go out and slaughter the entire population. 
Real life is hard, complicated, and takes brains and guts to navigate the rapids. The good news is, we have both. 

Comment by sk8eycat on December 9, 2012 at 12:07am

Flying A - No, I'm not in that photo.  ALL the official publicity shots were taken a year before I joined Holiday, BUT the #2 unit that I went into in 1957 was a repeat of what the #1 show did the year before.  So.  I was in two numbers in the Nutcracker production... Sugarplum Angels and Waltz of the Flowers (aka "Pansy Patch.")

The "little girl" (she was actually 13 or 14) who skated the part of Clara became a good, silly friend and roommate a couple of years later.  The kind of friend that you laugh with till your sides ache.

Joan: One type of believer who gets on my nerves is the thoughtless blabbermouth who calls it a "miracle" when there's some kind of disaster and one person out 100 (or more) survives.  Was it a miracle that the others died?  Their families probably don't think so.

Gore Vidal came up with an easy-to-remember remark: "Christianity is a silly religion."  When you really think about it, he was right.  Magic tricks like turning water into wine (and then turning wine into blood), and walking on water... 

I've seen what's-his-name (Criss?)...the Las Vegas illusionist "walk on water" (with a plexi sheet just under the surface of a hotel swiming pool. BFD)

Personally, I believe the Jesus of the New Testament was copied from Mithraism, and never existed at all...so no walking on water, no crucifiction....nada. 

Saul/Paul had a brainstorm, and invented the whole thing and held scientific progress back at least 1500 years. And I'm not reluctant to say so when someone gets in my face about the Hebrew god who became his own son by impregnating a teenage virgin.  It's all crazy IMO

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 8, 2012 at 5:05pm

Spud, I am interested in your experience with family. You wrote, "I don't find any enjoyment in visiting them or having them visit me because we don't have much in common anymore and it's like walking on eggshells."

I kind of enjoy eggshells; having that feeling keeps me on my toes and my major problem, I can't remember chapter and verse to respond back, such as Hitchens, Harris, or Dawkins do. I have to rely on tone and temper of the subject to make my point, and I usually use stories to clarify my meaning.

I never initiate a conversation about religion. I make it a real effort to respond with an atheist response to whatever comes up. For example, "where do I get my morals?" that is an easy one because I truly believe we, most of us, unless with some kind of brain abnormality, we have a moral compass that grows out of being in a community of people. If the group has a different morality than I, I can usually find an example to suit my challenge. A good example of this is the pro-choice/anti-choice issue. It is easy for me to support my position because of evidence from medicine, science, personal and social welfare, and stuff like that. 

One thing I work on is not accepting their frame; an example, I don't accept pro-life as a frame. People who support women's right to choose also stand in favor of life. It is whose life is at issue and a woman counts in this matter. 

I usually leave these encounters feeling good about myself and good about my positions and the evidence I use to support them. If something comes up that I cannot offer evidence for an atheist position, I know I have some homework to do. It never fails, if someone thinks he/she has stumped me, that will be the first thing to come up the next time we are together. 

If I have any fault, it is feeling more enlightened than those whom I believe are delusional and living in denial. I guess it is a feeling of superiority, however, it is like talking to someone who believes the Earth is flat, and I have encountered them. I feel educated and reasonable, even as I feel fully capable of changing my position on anything if given valid and reliable evidence to support a change.

The test, for me, is Popper's old imperative, is it falsifiable?
Can I prove there is no god? No.

Can a believer prove there is a god? No

So, we are back to comparing evidence against belief and faith.  

Their usual response to this is, "You are a person of little faith." 

My response, "Give me the evidence in support of your belief and I will change my mind in the time it takes to blink."

Obviously, scripture, remembered stories, myths, fables, 2nd hand accounts do not qualify as evidence. Especially the "Thank god my son/ daughter/whoever, survived the crash/operation/disease?" 

Nary a mention of emergency care, doctors, medicines, technologies, good care, accurate diagnosis, etc. and good support staff. 

 

 

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