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Steven Weinberg on his anti-theism

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Loren Miller yesterday. 4 Replies

I like the sound of Steven Weinberg's voice. He has a calming impact on me as I rush to get my home of 41 years ready to sell and plan and put into motion the new garden at my daughter's home. My home is full o empty boxed quickly filling with the…Continue

Goodwill to Few Men (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Donald R Barbera Jul 23. 3 Replies

Think Goodwill Industries does well by the poor?  Fact is, they do WAY BETTER for themselves, to the point where America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, thinks they're ripping off the christian playbook a bit too well!  Have a look for yourself:…Continue

Tags: ripoff, Goodwill Industries, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Your favorite photobombs?

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Plinius Jul 10. 12 Replies

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losing faith (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller Jul 5. 0 Replies

TheraminTrees has recently begun producing a new series of YouTube videos, which added to a wonderful library of earlier observations regarding his experience of religion. Good as all those pieces are, I personally think they pale against this…Continue

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Betty Explains Religious Freedom (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 3. 10 Replies

Well, considering all the RFRA bills popping up all over the United States, plus all the fun and games ISIS is bringing to the good folks in Syria and Iraq, Betty Bowers, the epitome of well-dressed christianity, has decided to clarify the true…Continue

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Surreal, I haz it

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Comment by Sarah on July 19, 2012 at 2:26pm

Booklover, I'm sorry you found so much offense in my comment. You did, though, convey here, at least, that it was egotistical of him to think he has all the answers and that you found no more value in talking to him as a result. And that much of this view is based on his age versus yours. I don't think it's unreasonable to surmise that it's at least possible he felt that attitude and responded to it. And really, if you read my comment carefully, you would note that I wasn't suggesting that is what happened, but that I would have responded that way at 17.

You're certainly not making me feel like my views are at all worth considering or have any merit, simply because I disagree with you. Aren't we supposed to be free-thinkers? As such, shouldn't we at least be open to the idea that other people might have different ideas and different views that are worth hearing? I don't want to go through life shutting out everyone who says something I disagree with.

Again, I'm sorry you were offended by my comment, but you haven't exactly helped your case by writing me off as someone to ignore based on one comment.

Comment by Idaho Spud on July 19, 2012 at 12:05pm

Yes, booklover, It doesn't sound like you were unreasonable.

Comment by Idaho Spud on July 19, 2012 at 11:56am

I think I sound selfish, and I am to some extent, but I'm just not emotionally up to talking to people that are so self-assured about their religious ideas.  The conversation plays over in my mind all night, disrupting what little sleep I get now days.  Sometimes it affects me for a week.

I do feel sadness and some empathy for those with religious ideas, and I'm glad some (mostly younger) people have the patience and fortitude to discuss things with them, giving them new thoughts that may someday bring them out of religion.  After all, I wish someone would have gotten through to me when I was young.

Comment by Idaho Spud on July 19, 2012 at 10:46am

Well put Ruth.  He is doing well for 17, especially considering it took me 50 years to overcome my brainwashing.  Also, I would probably be a happier person if I could be more tolerant.

However, my personality is such that I quickly get annoyed with dumb.  I'm kind to everyone, but I have no desire to waste what few years I have left trying to reason with the unreasonable.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on July 19, 2012 at 10:04am

Atheism is diverse. There are lots of individual religious claims to challenge that were pounded into us (who grew up in them). Obviously he hasn't challenged the "you can't be good without god" meme yet. Deconversion can be an incremental process, and some atheists will continue to carry particular religious "teachings" as part of their world view to the grave. I think it's best to tolerate stepwise growth, and accept them as people who are atheist, instead of feeling "atheir than thou". Appreciate them for the mental freedom they have achieved instead of focusing on the annoying bits left undone.

It takes some of us 45 years to shake off supernatural entities. He's doing well for 17.

Comment by Idaho Spud on July 19, 2012 at 9:37am

Perhaps I'm a little hard on teenagers, but after 71 years I'm so very tired of so many of them acting like they know it all.

Personally, I've never been nearly as egotistical as most people I've met, even when I was 17.  I was brainwashed to be sure that Mormonism was true, but still didn't argue with anyone about it.  I've always been a lover of science, and so couldn't understand why someone could be so sure of anything without lots of good evidence to support it (with the exception of Mormonism, of course).  Therefore, I have little patience with someone that claims to be an atheist, and still defends religion.  The religions I'm familiar with do accomplish good things, but In my opinion, the bad things they do far outweigh the good.

I don't know a lot about Asberger's sufferers, but I read that they have normal reasoning abilities, so I don't think his illogic deserves a pass because of his condition.

Comment by Sarah on July 19, 2012 at 8:57am

I have to say, I'm a little put off by the tenor of the comments toward this 17 yo. Is it somehow inherently egotistical to disagree with people, even people who are older and more experienced? And is it somehow against the Atheist handbook to pull back from thinking that religion is the greatest scourge on the planet? (I happen to think it's right up there, but I don't think that view is at all necessary for one to be an atheist.)

Didn't we all think we knew everything at 17? I know I personally had lots of opinions and relished the idea of getting to talk with adults in a more peer fashion, rather than being thought of merely as a kid. Perhaps this kid felt that you weren't giving his views any respect and so reacted more strongly and defensively. Honestly, if someone had come at me with the attitude that I was still just a silly child who would learn and should defer to the greater wisdom of an elder, I probably would have, too.


Not to mention if he has Asperger's, then we should all know that communication isn't his strong suit and should probably give him the benefit of the doubt.

Comment by Idaho Spud on July 19, 2012 at 7:59am

booklover, I agree with everyone, that a 17 year-old has a lot to learn.   That one seems especially egotistical, and I also wouldn't want to talk to him anymore.

sk8eycat, thanks for the excellent quotes.

Steph S., Dr Morris is a little scary.

Comment by dr kellie on July 18, 2012 at 10:11pm

Sorry about your issues, sk8eycat. 

 

I agree with you on the 17 yo.  I didn't really know who I was until I was in my late 20s.  I was too influenced to have my own mind.  It does take time.

Comment by sk8eycat on July 18, 2012 at 9:53pm

Hi, y'all!  I've been off-line about 24 hours...my sister was surfing around yesterday and did something that let a couple of horses in here.  I just got rid of them...by MYSELF!  I'm so relieved, and got such a kick calling my tech friend and telling him "Never mind!" (Actually we thoroughly discussed the results of my last scan, and he said I'm safe.)

Why to people DO that?  Write viruses, worms, etc...I mean.  To steal information?  Because they like to cause damage?  I don't get it.

Steph: I wuvz dat ORNJ kitteh!  Mai favrit flaver!  An hiz cattitude reminz me ob mai own docter.  Dr. BadJokes.

booklover: The kid is way too young to have it all figured out yet.  He probably thinks he does, but he's got a long way to grow. Do you have any good books you can lend him while he's visiting? Dan Barker's Godless is one that I've worn out because I look things up so often, and it's not written in Academish.  Or do you have the DVD of Julia Sweeney's play "Letting Go of God"?  Doing that takes time...most adults who were raised in a religious family usually say it took them from five to ten years to realize they can't believe in a god.  (If you don't have the DVD, maybe your local library does.)

 

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