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Degrees of Doubt: The Claims and Credentials of Ravi Zacharias (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris May 17. 1 Reply

Anyone here ever run onto an apologist by the name of Ravi Zacharias?  I've seen his name dropped multiple times on YouTube as supposedly being THE ONE APOLOGIST that no atheist wants to cross swords with, because of his facility with christian…Continue

Tags: Ravi Zacharias, Steve Baughman, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews

The Most Hated Woman in America (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Gary S Apr 19. 7 Replies

Before Aron Ra and Matt Dillahunty, before Dawkins or Dennett or Harris or even Hitchens, there was Madalyn Murray O'Hair.  In the midst of an America where Christianity was being flaunted as a defense against the godless communists of the Soviet…Continue

Tags: Frank Zindler, The Thinking Atheist, Seth Andrews, Madalyn Murray O'Hair

Proud Dad is REALLY Proud Now!

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Todd Williams Apr 12. 16 Replies

As some of you may or may not know, my daughter is a television news producer, currently working in Nashville, Tennessee.  Her assignment is the morning news, which means she blasts herself up at umpti-ump in the morning to organize and prepare a…Continue

Tags: Emmy, news, television, daughter, dad

attacking ideas (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 1 Reply

Attacking ideas is a considerable portion of what we as atheists do.  Why attack ideas?  Ideas earn attack when they don't serve people, not just us but those who adopt said ideas, mistakenly thinking that they have value when they don't.  Our…Continue

Tags: ideas, Islam, TheraminTrees

bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Apr 4. 40 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

The Playboy Interview: Richard Dawkins

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Mar 28. 16 Replies

I suppose it was the news that Playboy magazine was returning nudes to its pages after a year's hiatus that sufficiently perked my curiosity to check them out again.  I hadn't looked at Playboy since perhaps 2008, when I began to recognize that I…Continue

Tags: Richard Dawkins, Playboy

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Comment by Daniel W on November 9, 2016 at 9:35am

Three decades ago, I left Red State USA because I was unwanted, unwelcome, disparaged, reviled, and an outsider in almost every way.  I didnt even realize there were places where I would fit in, at least a little, better.  There was no internet then, and all I had was library books to guide me.  The move made living possible.  Not without many challenges, and some heartbreak and fear at times, but possible.  When I lived in college town Oregon, it felt for a long time like I had come home.  Now, much later, I feel a similar way about my semi-rural country life in Southwest Washington State.

It appears that one can never fully leave the Red State life. Now, we will have a Red State congress, senate, president, and probably soon, Supreme Court.  What Red State people dont get, is their world is worse not because of intrusions of black people, hispanics, gays, Muslims, and Asians, but because of their own thick headed backward thinking, us/them mentality, brutish behavior, xenophobia, drive away many who would make their world a more vibrant, creative, successful place.  Which leads to an even greater red/blue dichotomy.

So now, the USA once again becomes RedStateLandia.  It is never far from that.  This election culminates the Whitelash that started with election of a black man to the presidency.  It is also a forced acknowledgement that the vast white rural and working class red stats "homelands" have been left behind in an economic system where others work for far less, and where they themselves buy most goods and essentials that were manufactured by people who are paid poverty level wages, in slave labor conditions.  They cant compete with that.  

All I can hope for now, is that the reserves of diversity continue to have the social and intellectual ferment and vibrant experimentation to act as a reserve of change for those who follow.  Part of that will need to include a more humble approach to social change, with less of the academic and liberal pundit elitism and more focus on all people - including the red state populations and their losses and struggles. 

As for myself, I need to disengage from most political discussion.  Im tired of it all.

Randy, you are right.  That pendulum will swing back.  Lets hope it's not inspired by Edgar Allen Poe.

Comment by Loren Miller on November 9, 2016 at 9:21am

Well, here's my two cents' worth, for whoever is interested.

Comment by Plinius on November 9, 2016 at 9:14am

Ignorant - I don't know, but I do know that the rise of the trumpmovement is not a single thing. Everywhere I see people getting scared of people who don't exactly look the same as themselves, scared of people with knives or junkies, scared of refugees and and scared of people who think differently. Trump in the USA, Wilders in the Netherlands, le Pen in France, Orbán in Hungary and others in almost every country play the same game - scare people and promise them the security of borders, walls, guns and whatever. They're like preachers, feeding on people's insecurities. And people listen to that crap!  

How long have we believed that we could have a good influence and the world could get better? Since the 60s perhaps, but these years we see that it was only a sunny patch...

Comment by Randall Smith on November 9, 2016 at 6:59am

Needless to say, I am stunned, shocked, and scared. Republicans are in total control of our destiny. It's not the end of the world, however. The pendulum will eventually swing back.

What I can't understand is how Trump could win. What does it say about the general population, especially white America? Are we really that ignorant?

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 9, 2016 at 4:16am

Loren, I will be watching for it. Word simply escape me. 

Comment by Loren Miller on November 9, 2016 at 3:37am

"Dread" puts it mildly, Joan.  I'm honestly hesitant to give full expression to what I'm feeling here, for the simple reason that it would be inadequate.

I definitely feel a blog coming on, though...

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 9, 2016 at 2:12am

I have a heavy lump of burning coals in my gut.  We are in for a rough ride. I remember how happy I was when Obama won; he either yielded to big money or agreed with them all along. 

I feel dread this time.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on November 9, 2016 at 1:32am

Well, in case anyone had a shred of doubt, it's now officially no exaggeration to say that we're living in a post-factual world. There could be parallel universes where tRump rises to the occasion and acts like a normal albeit incredibly sleazy POTUS, but we should be so lucky.

Comment by Plinius on November 9, 2016 at 12:57am

Such news! And we can do nothing but wait what happens.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on November 9, 2016 at 12:45am

Agreed, Ian. This looks like the tipping point where US politics pushes Climate Destabilization and every other kind of destabilization into high gear. I really expect tRump will start a nuclear war within a year. It never crossed my mind that I'd live to see the US controlled by Nazis and gamergate trolls. More than half our citizens appear to have lost touch with reality.

Immediate impact - stock market crash. I'll wake up with less retirement income. But then we all probably won't live as long as we'd imagined.

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Tomorrow I wear black to mourn. Actually I'm feeling Johnny Cash on the outside. One day means nothing when the entire world veers sharply toward surreal wasteland scenarios.


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