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Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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The Whole Bible in 30 Seconds (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Randy Hatly on Thursday. 15 Replies

Ever decide that you wanted to read the whole bible, cover to cover, only to realize half-way through Deuteronomy that the darn thing is industrial-strength BORING?!?  Well, never fear!  America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, has done the Cliff's…Continue

Tags: bible, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

punishing doubt (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo on Tuesday. 2 Replies

If you are associated with religion and especially a fundamentalist religion, doubt is intolerable.  Certainty, however it may be achieved or imposed, becomes a necessary element, especially considering the utter dearth of any form of evidence or…Continue

Tags: religion, TheraminTrees, punish, doubt

A moment to relax and see the Earth from space; some how this comforts me.

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Qiana-Maieev on Sunday. 3 Replies

All the squabbles and struggles that I have do not compare with those of some others on this great planet. There are no boundary lines, no political arguments, no up or no down. What is, is. For right now, the scenes offer tranquility. Just the…Continue

Tags: and, wonder, awe, of, space

His Dark Materials and the Catholic Church

Started by Tonya R. Wheeler. Last reply by Plinius on Sunday. 27 Replies

I recently watched the movie, "The Golden Compass" and since I could not find the sequels, I read the books. I enjoyed them, and I will be reading the first one, Northern Lights, starting tomorrow, since it just arrived via inter-library…Continue

Tags: Fantasy, Catholic, Religion, Atheist, Pullman

Issues Atheist, Feminist, GLBTQ, Climate Change

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Oct 6. 2 Replies

This is a test Continue

bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Sep 29. 39 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

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Comment by Joan Denoo on February 6, 2016 at 12:29am

"The more ignorant the Theist, the more numerous his Gods. Belief in God is not a faith founded on reason. Theism is worse than illogical; its teachings are not only without utility, but of itself it has nothing to teach. Separated from Christianity with its almost innumerable sects, from Muhammadanism with its numerous divisions, and separated also from every other preached system, Theism is a will-o’-the-wisp, without reality. Apart from orthodoxy, Theism is the veriest dreamform, without substance or coherence."

A Plea for Atheism, Charles Bradlaugh, page 16

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 6, 2016 at 12:21am

"Every Theist must admit that if a God exists, he could have so convinced all men of the fact of his existence that doubt, disagreement, or disbelief would be impossible. If he could not do this, he would not be omnipotent, or he would not be omniscient — that is, he would not be God. Every Theist must also agree that if a God exists, he would wish all men to have such a clear consciousness of his existence and attributes, that doubt, disagreement, or disbelief on this subject would be impossible. And this, if for no other reason, because that out of doubts and disagreements on religion have too often resulted centuries of persecution, strife, and misery, which a good God would desire to prevent. If God would not desire this, then he is not all-good, that is, he is not God. But as many men have doubts, as a large majority of mankind have disagreements, and as some men have disbeliefs as to God’s existence and attributes, it must follow that God does not exist, or that he is not all-wise, or that he is not all-powerful, or that he is not all-good."

A Plea for Atheism, Charles Bradlaugh

Comment by Plinius on February 6, 2016 at 12:19am

Joan, what is called liberal in the Netherlands is a rightwing party that wants to remove all rules and obstacles for companies, especially the big companies. They still hang on to the ´trickle down´ theory,all the while making sure that needy people won't get one drop of that trickle - if it exists. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 5, 2016 at 11:34pm

"Theism declares that God dispenses health and inflicts disease, and sickness and illness are regarded by the Theists as visitations from an angered Deity, to be borne with meekness and content. Atheism declares that physiological knowledge may pre- serve us from disease by preventing us from infringing the law of health, and that sickness results not as the ordinance of offended Deity, but from ill-ventilated dwellings and workshops, bad and insufficient food, excessive toil, mental suffering, exposure to inclement weather, and the like — all these finding root in poverty, the chief source of crime and disease; that prayers and piety afford no protection against fever, and that if the human being be kept without food he will starve as quickly whether he be Theist or Atheist, theology being no substitute for bread."

~ Charles Bradlaugh, A Plea for Atheism

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 5, 2016 at 8:32pm

I am in a natural period of living when one easily reflects on life, its meaning (none), its purpose (none). I gave time a good strong run, naming and challenging the ethics and morals of centuries of family violence. So many opportunities opened up for me and I danced with them all. My dancing is more of a shuffle these days, but, hey! I am still alive!

This reflection is a cheerful time, by golly, I pulled it off. I raised my children to adulthood and they have developed into fine, decent people. Whew! Some said I couldn't do it! Hot Damn! I did it!

I begin the final chapter now and I could not be happier. 

Carl, all three of my children are now 51 years old. 

Comment by The Flying Atheist on February 5, 2016 at 6:46pm

Joan, count me in on liking the Bradlaugh quotes as well.

Sounds like you are very busy these days.  I find it very difficult to start rummaging through old, personal memorabilia.  I sit down and start reminiscing, losing the time and effort I put forth for the initial task. 

I very much like looking at mementos left behind by my relatives from previous generations.  I've held onto some of my own items as well so those who follow me can have a physical reminder and insight of who I was as a person when I was alive. 

I haven't led a "rock star" life, nor have I had an earth-shattering effect on this world, but I've had the privilege and luck to have lived an interesting life.  Perhaps my future, and unknown at this time, relatives will find interest in discovering who I was within my time and place.       

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on February 5, 2016 at 5:44pm

I like your Bradlaugh quotes, Joan.

Thanks for sharing you clearing out of 40 years. I admire the way you move on confidently into the future.

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 5, 2016 at 5:09pm

Boxes, boxes everywhere, bookcases empty, China stacked, getting ready for packing. We're cleaning out the pantry, refrigerator and freezer. 

Ran across some notes in books that I wrote years ago. Times were different then, the economy was thriving, the family was growing into adulthood and caused me some worry. Silly of me, looking back and realizing they turned out OK. I didn't need to fuss. 

Also ran across the correspondence I had with a psychiatrist at the U of WA when we got the diagnosis of Cary's brain disorder. That started a couple of years of learning how to deal with his behaviors. My job was to train him to be able to manage on his own when he was an adult. He is 51 now and I think he will function just fine with help from sister after I am gone. 

We are looking for a condominium to buy for Cary. We looked at many different options and this seems to be the one that meets everyone's needs. 

Thinking back over these past 40+ years, has been rewarding. I met many challenges and came through them the best I could. I didn't do too badly.  

Now, what do I do with 40+ years of accumulating treasures here and there. There is my book collection that is enormous. Craig wants some of the research papers and my collection of Mexican pots, Laura wants my spice rack so that will go north with me. We have a wall where we can install it. 


Comment by Joan Denoo on February 5, 2016 at 4:48pm

"While the Theist provides future happiness for a scoundrel repentant on his death-bed, Atheism affirms present and certain happiness for the man who does his best to live here so well as to have little cause for repenting hereafter"

~ Charles Bradlaugh, A Plea for Atheism

I like the way this guy writes. 


Comment by Ian Mason on February 5, 2016 at 4:03pm

Positive words, Joan and very true.

Auto da fe = act of faith. If that's faith I want no part of it.

I will translate a cheerful poem soon.


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