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Picture yourself spending some time with congenial friends, sharing your lives and pictures from your cell phones." They're curious about that cool game, song, movie, camping trip, art show, or other event that fascinated you. You talk about all kinds of stuff, poetry, styles, personal achievements, relationships, and bad days. You can share your inner child, and laugh together. They sympathetically listen to your feelings about serious topics like politics or climate change, even when they don't agree.

Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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Steven Weinberg on his anti-theism

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Loren Miller 10 hours ago. 4 Replies

I like the sound of Steven Weinberg's voice. He has a calming impact on me as I rush to get my home of 41 years ready to sell and plan and put into motion the new garden at my daughter's home. My home is full o empty boxed quickly filling with the…Continue

Goodwill to Few Men (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Donald R Barbera Jul 23. 3 Replies

Think Goodwill Industries does well by the poor?  Fact is, they do WAY BETTER for themselves, to the point where America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers, thinks they're ripping off the christian playbook a bit too well!  Have a look for yourself:…Continue

Tags: ripoff, Goodwill Industries, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Your favorite photobombs?

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Plinius Jul 10. 12 Replies

Running of the bulls photobomb.Continue

losing faith (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller Jul 5. 0 Replies

TheraminTrees has recently begun producing a new series of YouTube videos, which added to a wonderful library of earlier observations regarding his experience of religion. Good as all those pieces are, I personally think they pale against this…Continue

Tags: story, history, faith, TheraminTrees

Betty Explains Religious Freedom (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 3. 10 Replies

Well, considering all the RFRA bills popping up all over the United States, plus all the fun and games ISIS is bringing to the good folks in Syria and Iraq, Betty Bowers, the epitome of well-dressed christianity, has decided to clarify the true…Continue

Tags: persecution, ISIS, Religious Freedom, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner May 6. 82 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

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Comment by Lary9 on October 6, 2011 at 7:15pm
Carl Pastor~ I often wondered why God never tried to "save" Lucifer. You know what I mean? Why didn't at one of the big three...[either God the Father, Son or Holy Spirit]... offer him some 'Truth and Reconciliation' along with some of that infamous Christian forgiveness? Is he the patron of The Unforgiveable? Doesn't denying Old Patch a shot at absolution augment his evil isolationism from Heaven... de facto?
Comment by Natalie A Sera on October 6, 2011 at 6:10pm
My reaction to Steve Jobs' death is that he was good at what he did. Of course, Wozniak was the computer developer, but Jobs was the one who sold the product that Wozniak developed. Neither one could have succeeded without the other. Jobs was most likely less than perfect (!) but so are the rest of us. What's the quote, something like bury the evil with the dead, and let the good live on?? From a Shakespeare play -- Julius Caesar?
Comment by Donna Darko on October 6, 2011 at 5:28pm
While I can see almost everyone's view here, and I do have not undue respect for Mr. Jobs, and a bit of sadness at his demise, this is the "HANG WITH FRIENDS" group. I think that some of these comments may have had a better reception at another place in the AN.
Comment by Susan Stanko on October 6, 2011 at 5:10pm
And that doesn't justify jumping doen peoples throats if they don't agree with you. (Not dircted at you, Steph.)
Comment by alexa penzner on October 6, 2011 at 5:09pm

Dearest Ian,

 

Firstly, it might help, I suppose (though given your obvious bitterness, I suppose little will) to acknowledge the facts. You imply that there was little if any coverage of the high suicide rate at FoxConn in the US. That is either an error on your part or a misrepresentation to put it kindly. There was extensive coverage. You may wish to make use of a wonderful new piece of programming called Google with the abilities of which you would appear to be unfamiliar.

 

If you know anything (which seems doubtful) of the complexities and subtleties of raising living and other standards in the less-developed world, even ones such as China with a deep and rich history, you might know that these matters are not simple – however much you’d like them to be. An acquaintance of mine who cut his teeth on these matters of international economic and cultural development at Hopkins and studied primarily with teachers from the third world, who came originally from very modest backgrounds and were extremely concerned with how best to develop less-developed economies, pointed out to me that there are a number of enormous problems. For one thing, for example, no matter how much you might want to raise the wages of the folks in your factories rapidly if you do it too far, too fast, it’s been known to sometimes cause the collapse of the rest of the local economy. Note that I’m not saying this as an excuse for the rapacious bastards who simply wish to exploit low-wage workers, but that it can be a real problem, and it’s a challenge, even if you’re determined to improve the local situation. You can only move so far, so fast. It’s your moral obligation to move as fast as you can, but you have to do it intelligently, and that isn’t easy. It’s a question, to use an old machinist’s expression, of ‘speeds and feeds’.

 

That said, what you neglect to note, is that as soon as Apple learned of the issue, it did in fact take responsible action.

 

Apple immediately – and I mean immediately – dispatched Tim Cook (who now heads Apple) as their director of operations and production to the Foxconn plant in Shenzhen accompanied by a full team of experts, including experts on suicide prevention, and an overall assessment was made of the plant’s operations with particular focus on this issue. It is not a simple issue. You’re dealing in most cases with workers who have relocated far from home, often from rural villages, and are living far from their loved ones in a challenging and alien environment. Stress will be high. The very fact that Cook, director of all such operations and the ultimate decision maker of who would and would not get contracts from Apple went swiftly, personally, with a full team, sent an extremely powerful message to Foxconn and was intended to do so in no uncertain terms. An independent team of suicide experts was then immediately dispatched and arrived, which surveyed over 1,000 employees in confidence and with guarantees, and also reviewed in depth each of the cases of suicides. Counselors were hired, a 24 hour centre was established. The team also called for additional steps with respect to staff training, and specified other steps, which were taken, and were subject to review and monitoring.

 

It seems, from your brief emotional outburst that you haven’t troubled yourself to become acquainted with the actual facts, which are complicated and subtle, and simply prefer to rage and vent. Fine, that’s your privilege, but it might be more impressive if you had some slight familiarity with the facts, and roused yourself to reason.

 

I don’t expect that to happen.

 

I don’t bet on losing horses.

 

Foxconn, if you know anything at all (also doubtful) of Chinese industry, is an enormous outfit and subcontracts for everyone in sight. All indications from this as well as comparable matters is that Apple sincerely, truly, and effectively 

Perhaps you might consider their example, rather than broadcasting your own bile, neglect of actual familiarity with the facts under consideration, and simple free-floating anger.

 

Or consider the services of a competent counselor.

 

I’m sure they’d appreciate the enormous challenges you’d present.

 

In your state of self-righteous, self-celebrating moral indignation, I’m sure you’ll vow to not use any electronic devices of whatever sort from whatever manufacturer whose operations you haven’t personally researched in depth – in other words, nothing from Foxconn et al. This presents the additional benefit that, rendered incapable of any form of electronic communication, we’ll be spared your pointless, self-important, self-indulgent bloviating in future.

 

Or, in the words of the immortal Opus, "pppphhhhhttttt!!"

 

Comment by Grace Fitzpatrick on October 6, 2011 at 4:48pm
I am sorry for those mourning his loss.  However, I never cared for the man.
Comment by Steph S. on October 6, 2011 at 4:34pm
I'm a fan of Wozniak. I know the story very well. We are Steve Jobs fans and we are mourning his death. We acknowledge his imperfections. A little compassion at this time would be appreciated.
Comment by Grace Fitzpatrick on October 6, 2011 at 4:16pm

I have always understood his partner Steve Wozniak was the real computer genius behind Apple computers and he is credited with a lot of the inventions people now appear to be attributing to Steve Jobs.  They don't call him the "wonderful wizard of Woz", "wheels of Zeus" or "iWoz" for no reason.  Good news!   The Woz is still alive and inventing stuff for Apple. 

 

I never cared for Steve Jobs because of his treatment of his illegitimate daughter. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/steve-jobs-secret-private-life/sto...

Comment by Susan Stanko on October 6, 2011 at 4:02pm
Not to mention that Steve Jobs didn't invent the computer.  Or electronic parts for that matter.
Comment by Susan Stanko on October 6, 2011 at 4:01pm

Alexa, Steve Jobs wasn't God, so why are you acting like he was? 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.#Labor_practices

 

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