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Picture yourself spending some time with congenial friends, sharing your lives and pictures from your cell phones." They're curious about that cool game, song, movie, camping trip, art show, or other event that fascinated you. You talk about all kinds of stuff, poetry, styles, personal achievements, relationships, and bad days. You can share your inner child, and laugh together. They sympathetically listen to your feelings about serious topics like politics or climate change, even when they don't agree.

Personal validation comes from paying attention to one another, giving more than you get. Everyone respects you and themselves, despite our amazing range of personal tastes and interests. They'll tell you they don't agree with an idea or behavior without implying you're a bad person or somehow deficient. It's an "I'm OK, You're OK" kind of fellowship, where nobody tries to make himself look better by picking on somebody else.

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bending truth, or "We Can All Be Manipulated" (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by The Flying Atheist on Sunday. 11 Replies

The following is one of TheraminTrees' most thorough-going pieces, wherein he looks at the process and techniques whereby a "religious" organization (which will sound VERY familiar to most of us, once introductions are made!) takes a person who…Continue

Tags: indoctrination, truth, manipulation, TheraminTrees

The End of the World ... Again?!?

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by The Flying Atheist on Saturday. 13 Replies

Uh, guys and gals?  Hate to tell you, but the world ended the other day.  And the hell of it is, I MISSED IT!  Yeah, too busy with other stuff, mowing the lawn, enjoying the company of my wife, and taking care of puddy-cats, and I just MISSED it!One…Continue

Tags: AronRa, prophecy, end of the world

Sam Harris The Case Against Christianity

Started by dudaboli yev. Last reply by Donald R Barbera Sep 30. 1 Reply

Sam Harris The Case Against Christianity Sam Harris offers his case against the Christian god conceptSamuel Benjamin "Sam" Harris is an American author, neuroscientist, philosopher, the co-founder and chief executive of Project Reason, a non-profit…Continue

Your favorite photobombs?

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by amer chohan Sep 2. 13 Replies

Running of the bulls photobomb.Continue

An AN member passed away

Started by Deidre. Last reply by Deidre Aug 18. 4 Replies

Went into the chat room last Friday night, for the first time in a while, and learned that Mequa passed away. I had been good friends with him for a time, but we had differences and stopped talking back in the spring of this year. I knew however,…Continue

A Parable by Mrs. Betty Bowers

Started by Loren Miller Aug 17. 0 Replies

Betty Bowers is becoming SO GOOD at delivering as America's Best Christian, she now does 30-second parables!  (Okay, 32 seconds!  Picky, picky!) Have You Had YOUR Betty Today?Continue

Tags: bible, parable, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

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Comment by Steph S. on October 6, 2011 at 8:50pm

Here's a link to the protest of Wall Street In Austin, TX.
Comment by Steph S. on October 6, 2011 at 8:46pm
Did anyone have Wall Street protests in their city today?  There was a big protest in downtown Austin today.  They showed some of it on TV and the cops were in riot gear and were pushing the crowd back.
Comment by Julie Carter on October 6, 2011 at 8:13pm

I must have missed the part where Ian was self-indulgent and bitter and whatnot. I only saw a one-sentence statement about the suicide rate in China and the fact that it wasn't widely covered in the US (though I'd disagree with that; if I knew about it, it must have been fairly well-covered, because I'll admit to not being the biggest news watcher).


Alexa, I have no problem with your appreciation of Jobs and sadness at his passing. But I think you overreacted to Ian's statement, and it's unfair to start hurling personal insults at him. (Perhaps there is more to this than I'm seeing here? If there's some kind of history between you two, I'm not aware of it.)


However, I was recently at a conference where a marketing specialist who has worked with Apple explained that they aren't really the inventors of their products anymore; they are a company who has other companies develop (and manufacture) the products, and they are really the global distributors of the products. So while I have no doubt that Jobs was an intelligent man (in business) and very good at what he did, I think he's given too much credit for being an "inventor" of things he didn't really invent. He was one hell of a salesman, one hell of a marketer. And there's nothing wrong with that. But he didn't create all the things he's given credit for.

Comment by Maruli Marulaki on October 6, 2011 at 8:06pm
Ruth:  Is it true, that I get new comments by email, before you have approved them?   I got the last comment about five times, before it was visible here.
Comment by Lary9 on October 6, 2011 at 7:48pm
On the Uber-Homages to Steve Jobs:
I think that most people, who are ostensibly 'believers' in an afterlife, are conflicted. They're not exactly certain if there is an 'afterlife' and not sure if there isn't. Consequently, unlike ourselves, they haven't come to grips with any "certainty" at all about life continuing after death, no matter how much they claim the opposite and shout hysterical Hosannahs. In fact, the very act of communal worship with its repetitive praising and declarative dogmas actually reveals and reinforces the fragility of faith as a way of knowing. IMHO, church rituals serve to increase the deep seated ambivalence of parishioners about life after death. 
This why the living that are religious require such elaborated  memorialization of the dead... it shores up their "belief in things unseen and the hope of things to come" in times when human  mortality is unavoidably real. Myself... on the other hand, I've accepted certain eventual verities about biological death like all  natural undeniable things. That acceptance brings a special kind of peace with it.
Comment by Lary9 on October 6, 2011 at 7:15pm
Carl Pastor~ I often wondered why God never tried to "save" Lucifer. You know what I mean? Why didn't at one of the big three...[either God the Father, Son or Holy Spirit]... offer him some 'Truth and Reconciliation' along with some of that infamous Christian forgiveness? Is he the patron of The Unforgiveable? Doesn't denying Old Patch a shot at absolution augment his evil isolationism from Heaven... de facto?
Comment by Natalie A Sera on October 6, 2011 at 6:10pm
My reaction to Steve Jobs' death is that he was good at what he did. Of course, Wozniak was the computer developer, but Jobs was the one who sold the product that Wozniak developed. Neither one could have succeeded without the other. Jobs was most likely less than perfect (!) but so are the rest of us. What's the quote, something like bury the evil with the dead, and let the good live on?? From a Shakespeare play -- Julius Caesar?
Comment by Donna Darko on October 6, 2011 at 5:28pm
While I can see almost everyone's view here, and I do have not undue respect for Mr. Jobs, and a bit of sadness at his demise, this is the "HANG WITH FRIENDS" group. I think that some of these comments may have had a better reception at another place in the AN.
Comment by Susan Stanko on October 6, 2011 at 5:10pm
And that doesn't justify jumping doen peoples throats if they don't agree with you. (Not dircted at you, Steph.)
Comment by alexa penzner on October 6, 2011 at 5:09pm

Dearest Ian,


Firstly, it might help, I suppose (though given your obvious bitterness, I suppose little will) to acknowledge the facts. You imply that there was little if any coverage of the high suicide rate at FoxConn in the US. That is either an error on your part or a misrepresentation to put it kindly. There was extensive coverage. You may wish to make use of a wonderful new piece of programming called Google with the abilities of which you would appear to be unfamiliar.


If you know anything (which seems doubtful) of the complexities and subtleties of raising living and other standards in the less-developed world, even ones such as China with a deep and rich history, you might know that these matters are not simple – however much you’d like them to be. An acquaintance of mine who cut his teeth on these matters of international economic and cultural development at Hopkins and studied primarily with teachers from the third world, who came originally from very modest backgrounds and were extremely concerned with how best to develop less-developed economies, pointed out to me that there are a number of enormous problems. For one thing, for example, no matter how much you might want to raise the wages of the folks in your factories rapidly if you do it too far, too fast, it’s been known to sometimes cause the collapse of the rest of the local economy. Note that I’m not saying this as an excuse for the rapacious bastards who simply wish to exploit low-wage workers, but that it can be a real problem, and it’s a challenge, even if you’re determined to improve the local situation. You can only move so far, so fast. It’s your moral obligation to move as fast as you can, but you have to do it intelligently, and that isn’t easy. It’s a question, to use an old machinist’s expression, of ‘speeds and feeds’.


That said, what you neglect to note, is that as soon as Apple learned of the issue, it did in fact take responsible action.


Apple immediately – and I mean immediately – dispatched Tim Cook (who now heads Apple) as their director of operations and production to the Foxconn plant in Shenzhen accompanied by a full team of experts, including experts on suicide prevention, and an overall assessment was made of the plant’s operations with particular focus on this issue. It is not a simple issue. You’re dealing in most cases with workers who have relocated far from home, often from rural villages, and are living far from their loved ones in a challenging and alien environment. Stress will be high. The very fact that Cook, director of all such operations and the ultimate decision maker of who would and would not get contracts from Apple went swiftly, personally, with a full team, sent an extremely powerful message to Foxconn and was intended to do so in no uncertain terms. An independent team of suicide experts was then immediately dispatched and arrived, which surveyed over 1,000 employees in confidence and with guarantees, and also reviewed in depth each of the cases of suicides. Counselors were hired, a 24 hour centre was established. The team also called for additional steps with respect to staff training, and specified other steps, which were taken, and were subject to review and monitoring.


It seems, from your brief emotional outburst that you haven’t troubled yourself to become acquainted with the actual facts, which are complicated and subtle, and simply prefer to rage and vent. Fine, that’s your privilege, but it might be more impressive if you had some slight familiarity with the facts, and roused yourself to reason.


I don’t expect that to happen.


I don’t bet on losing horses.


Foxconn, if you know anything at all (also doubtful) of Chinese industry, is an enormous outfit and subcontracts for everyone in sight. All indications from this as well as comparable matters is that Apple sincerely, truly, and effectively 

Perhaps you might consider their example, rather than broadcasting your own bile, neglect of actual familiarity with the facts under consideration, and simple free-floating anger.


Or consider the services of a competent counselor.


I’m sure they’d appreciate the enormous challenges you’d present.


In your state of self-righteous, self-celebrating moral indignation, I’m sure you’ll vow to not use any electronic devices of whatever sort from whatever manufacturer whose operations you haven’t personally researched in depth – in other words, nothing from Foxconn et al. This presents the additional benefit that, rendered incapable of any form of electronic communication, we’ll be spared your pointless, self-important, self-indulgent bloviating in future.


Or, in the words of the immortal Opus, "pppphhhhhttttt!!"



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