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Hi everyone,It was almost a half-century ago, at age 15 or so, that I encountered one of the more important influences in my life: a crazy group of poets/musicians who called themselves The Fugs.They had a huge impact on me in that, though raised in…Continue

Some William Blake to Ponder

Started by Donatien Alphonse François. Last reply by Donatien Alphonse François Apr 25. 6 Replies

Hello all,I'm new here, and so hope this isn't old hat. But, I just had to point you toward a marvelous poem by William Blake in case you've never read it. Despite his sometimes heavily tinged biblical references in his other art and poetry, this…Continue

God's Not Dead - The Christian Persecution Complex (The Thinking Atheist)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Annie Willis Apr 20. 7 Replies

Doubtless most if not all of you have heard about that sorry piece of cinema known as God's Not Dead, and perhaps its sequel, cleverly entitled: God's Not Dead 2 (wow, how original!).  Personally, I have wasted neither time nor money on either,…Continue

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Confirmed: flagged by religious people for "bullying."

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The Value of Atheist Nexus ... and of Keeping Contact

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Atheist Pig STRIKES AGAIN!!!

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Qiana-Maieev Apr 5. 1 Reply

There's no getting around it, Atheist Pig is fast becoming my fave secular comic, and as evidence, I refer you to the following.  Jesus and Mo had better watch their respective asses, 'cuz they got a porker coming up on the outside, and I'm pretty…Continue

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Comment by sk8eycat on August 25, 2011 at 7:40pm

Hmmm...two pieces of steel that just happen to cross each other at right angles.  Maybe instead of standing it in a "t" shape, they should put it on its "side," to look like an "X"....then it would have no religious meaning, and just be a reminder of the devastation.

 

Maybe?

 

Of course people would scream....

Comment by Chris G on August 25, 2011 at 7:39pm

It's unfortunate that G.W. Bush called for a Crusade.

That movement continues with The New Apostlic Reformation 

 

 

Comment by Rev. Richard Watkins on August 25, 2011 at 7:34pm
Well I have to clear a couple things up. Like FSM, FCoA is a joke. There is no real established church or rules to abide by...it's simply a playful thumbing-the-nose at other churches. The reason I became ordained was so I could marry some homosexual friends of mine.

As for hiding the cross from public view...I think that's rather counterproductive. Religion should be brought out into daylight and exposed for what it is. We want people to freely discuss and debate religion, not hide it away in private for it to fester and grow stronger. Free criticism of religion should be encouraged and I think bringing religion into the context of terrorism one of the best things for atheism. Additionally, putting the cross in the WTC memorial is not an action meant to represent Christianity over all other religions. It's there as a relic of the devastation and an example of something the people clung to. It's a representation of the event, not a representation of people.

Hiding religion in a dark corner is dangerous. Full-out attacks on religion only make people cling to it tighter. The best weapon against religion is to bring discussion to it, not take it away from discussion.
Comment by alexa penzner on August 25, 2011 at 7:02pm
it's a very touchy issue - i agree with those you say leave it alone and pick our battles. thanks michael.
Comment by Chris G on August 25, 2011 at 6:12pm
Christians are big on symbolism and revel in Manafest Destiny. It's interesting how much the Republican and Democratic parties have changed over the years. Here's a link to the Christian Flag:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Flag
Comment by Michael Brodie on August 25, 2011 at 6:04pm

Steve and Alysn:  I agree - - so many Americans have a reverence for the flag (as though it was sacred, like a religious symbol).  Few other nations or cultures are this way.  I think all nations have a national anthem, but only the US has the tradition of placing the hand over the heart.  I think the problem lies in pledging "allegiance to the flag" (1st), "and to the Republic for which it stands (2nd)", and "under god", before all of the good stuff.

Natalie, you are sooo right:  The cross is a symbol that is definitely specific to christianism.  It does not comfort anyone else, and, is actually a symbol of oppression, depredation, and death.

Rev Watkins, I searched and found the First Church of Atheism.  It is nice that anyone can be reverndized for free (nominal charge for the certificate).  Laws regarding who may officiate are state laws, not federal.  Also, use of the word, "faith", in the FAQ ("what we believe") is inappropriate:

Faith is belief without evidence.  The word faith has been co-opted by the religious, so its use in the FCA statement is wrong.


  • “Nothing exists besides natural phenomena. Thought is merely a function of that natural phenomena. Death is complete, and irreversible. We have faith solely in humankind, nature, and the facts of science.”


The idea that one piece of cross-shaped steel, out of thousands of like pieces that were fabricated that way for ease of assembly, has some significance to the believers, tells me how much they are grasping at straws for physical confirmation of their god's existence.  The christians should go to church and leave the building of a monument honoring so many different peoples to secularists.

Comment by Grace Fitzpatrick on August 25, 2011 at 3:11pm

Frankly, this bothers me more than the cross:  http://www.pensitoreview.com/2011/03/22/gop-house-judicaiary-commit...

 

However, it doesn't make sense that they moved the cross from an appropriate location (a church) at great expense to the "official" memorial site.  Since a large number of those killed were foreign, why not have a display of flags from all the nations of the people killed? I would be more in favor of a memorial for peace having known a number of people killed at the Pentagon that day. Of course, no one asked me.

Comment by Susan Stanko on August 25, 2011 at 2:10pm
By your logic Michael we should have an emblem from EVERY religion.
Comment by Susan Stanko on August 25, 2011 at 2:07pm
I agree Natalie, except for FSM, since it was meant to be a joke.
Comment by Susan Stanko on August 25, 2011 at 1:57pm
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"  Samuel Johnson.
 

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