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A Powerful Message from an old wise teacher :

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Loren Miller Nov 24. 9 Replies

I received a gift this morning from a virtual friend, Pamela Smith:A Powerful Message from an old wise teacher :" One day an old wise teacher was walking through a village. A very angry and rude young man came up and began insulting him. "You have…Continue

10 Tricks from 46 (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Nov 6. 3 Replies

Apparently, Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, has been slumming.  That is to say, she's been talking to Mike Pence [gasp!].  It would seem as though Mike has offered some of his not-so-personal tricks of the trade on how to be a 21st century…Continue

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Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Oct 19. 99 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

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Speak English? YOU FIRST! (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Donald R Barbera Sep 27. 5 Replies

Honestly, the title to this piece is badly under-representative of the content.  To be far more accurate, what we have here is Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, going on a rant.  Before you say it ... Say WHAAAA?  Betty Bowers ranting? …Continue

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10 Things About Patriotism (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Plinius Sep 26. 2 Replies

It seems as though lately, Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, is evolving into America's Best Patriot.  She has recently been taking some fairly well-aimed shots at a certain Orange Nightmare and his sycophantic hangers-on, regarding the…Continue

Tags: patriotism, Donald Trump, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

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Comment by Randall Smith on June 24, 2017 at 7:36am

My third daughter and her husband manage an organic vegetable farm (mine), in their 5th year (www.silverthorn-farm.com). Well, yesterday, they both broke down in my presence to say they can't pay their debts--to the bank(s), bills, even me. They were distraught.

I knew they were "overextended", but I didn't realize how much. Their income comes mainly from CSA customers and Indianapolis restaurant sales, the latter drastically cutting back on orders. They quit going to farmers markets because they thought they could make ends meet without them. Big mistake.

I offered to loan/give them a major chunk of money (6 digits) to "get them over the hump". They were reluctant, but ultimately resigned to accept. This is not the first time I've had to help them, but, hopefully, the last. Fortunately, I have the money.

I'm optimistic the farm will make it. They both work so hard. Usually, I stay out of their way--especially Nate (he's stubborn). I'm no farmer or even a businessman. But, I do know how to save money. So I'm going to submit my suggestions and recommendations in an attempt to save their livelihood (and my farm!).  Basically the message will be to downsize--"less is more". Spend half as much and save twice as much. I'm going to become their "manager", being less passive and more forceful. The loan will come with a caveat: "Listen to what I have to say!"

We'll see.

Comment by Chris on June 22, 2017 at 12:25am

I know I'm kookie because I don't follow  Abrihamic religions  that think/teach that  suffering is the way to redemption.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on June 20, 2017 at 5:59pm

As Sister Teresa would tell you, the pain and misery aren't a bug, they're a feature.

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 20, 2017 at 5:37pm

Yup... and then they have to have an arbitrary rule about how you're not allowed to check out early 'cause the sky daddy doesn't like it -- even if it's his own mysterious plan that's causing you unremitting pain from a terminal disease.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on June 20, 2017 at 4:11pm

Good points, GC. You touched on one of the core beliefs of the con, that life in "this vale of tears" means nothing compared to the life eternal to come, or as the preacher said it at a recent memorial service, "the never-ending feast." (Like, couldn't they do a little better than that?) Cozy how this gels so nicely with not caring about the environment, truth, justice or social issues.

Comment by Ian Mason on June 20, 2017 at 3:33pm

Weddings could be fun.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 20, 2017 at 3:16pm

Carl, the wedding would not be one of my choices, either. However, I think it touches a place in people that reason does not. I don't need that place, and I know you don't either. I wonder if people who do not need the pomp and circumstance of the rituals need to connect with believers in a different way than I recognize? 

Some refuse to consider non-belief; 

some have social pressures that inhibit non-belief; 

some have fear of non-belief; 

some have anger directed toward those who do not believe; 

some have feelings of guilt and shame that impede non-belief; 

Some like living in the answer instead of living in the question. 

Another way of looking at strategy is to observe how a lack of belief in god can influence individuals' who feel anger, fear, guilt, and shame? 

Perhaps, not focusing on trying to persuade believers to consider non-belief, it might be helpful to focus on the problems belief create, i.e. work toward separation of church and state, keep religion out of public schools, challenge the voucher system for funding education, confront violence in the home with public exposure of abusers, especially if the abusers are religious leaders and teachers. 

Many non-believers have doubts themselves, or they feel fear what will happen if they let others know about their lack of belief in god. The social protocols of "Don't discuss religion or politics in polite society" seems juvenile to me. Any mature, adult, mentally healthy person should be able to take on these discussions without becoming a fool or a tyrant. 

The family and friends who know I am not a believer reacted in expected ways: anger, denial, delusions, fear, pleasure, and agreement. I have a kind of script to respond to these differences. 

My goal is to remain calm, confident, competent, non-defensive, honest, and  challenge them to think, ala A Manual for Creating Atheists by Peter Boghossian. I like his style and especially his sense of humor. Challenging believers can be stressful and it does not have to be grim. Play with ideas and have some fun!

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 20, 2017 at 2:03pm

Chris, I see the Abrahamic religions' story of Abraham being ready to murder his son BecauseGodSaidSo as a moral test which Abraham failed spectacularly. He might have instead responded "Hell no!" The God character failed as well, on a grander scale, not only for heartily approving of that blind obedience but also for creating the whole scenario in the first place!

(There are various interpretations trying to paint it in a better light, such as a demonstration that human sacrifice is wrong.) 

Carl also mentioned the related, too-common fundamentalist perception that "if it's martyrdom, if must be good and righteous." Many religions promise an afterlife in which everything will be set straight and made right, so real life doesn't count as much.

Successful religious worldviews seen as memeplexes, complexes of behaviors and ideas that replicate and spread from some human "hosts" to others, need not keep their hosts alive and healthy and thriving any more than necessary to keep spreading. They don't "care" about their hosts' well-being. (Or about anything else, not being conscious.)

I grew up with "The Binding of Isaac" as a story of virtue... had to vent.

Comment by Chris on June 20, 2017 at 3:09am
Comment by Ian Mason 47 minutes ago

Good one, Chris. The absurdity of blind obedience.

Another absurd thing: in the Greek Orthodox church, if a layman puts a foot into the priest's vestry the whole church has to be re-sanctified by the patriarch. If a woman puts her foot there, the church has to be re-sanctified TWICE.

I don't know much but find it impollite to put your foot in someones face.  Maybe that's why breaking glasses is traditiional in some marriage cerimonies.

Comment by Chris on June 20, 2017 at 2:48am

I agree with you The Flying Atheist  about  about the beauty of Film Nior.

Unfortunately, it' was the '50's  with black listing.

 

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