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God's Annual Performance Review (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on Monday. 6 Replies

I don't know about you guys, but there wasn't a performance review I had in 30 years of field service that I didn't LOATHE.  It seems as though Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, is up for turning the tables on the person you would expect would…Continue

Tags: review, performance, god, American's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Learning a Language as a Mature Adult

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Mar 2. 28 Replies

Trying to keep my mind exercised, and not interested in most of the reading materials that I can find.I decided to attempt to learn a language.  Actually, two.  The dilemma is, how do I do that without going to school - not an option - and without…Continue

The Playboy Interview: Richard Dawkins

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Chris Feb 19. 14 Replies

I suppose it was the news that Playboy magazine was returning nudes to its pages after a year's hiatus that sufficiently perked my curiosity to check them out again.  I hadn't looked at Playboy since perhaps 2008, when I began to recognize that I…Continue

Tags: Richard Dawkins, Playboy

Such Lyrics!

Started by Donatien Alphonse François. Last reply by Grinning Cat Feb 13. 9 Replies

Hello Friends,I was ruminating a bit today on my sixty-some years existence. My mind went back to teenage years when I first figured out religion is not only obnoxiously loud, but also nothing I wanted anything to do with. Truly. I knew by age 15…Continue

degrading love — part two (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Feb 11. 1 Reply

TheraminTrees set up religion with his left in Part One of his treatise on how religion demeans and degrades the value of love.  Here in Part Two, he brings in a devastating, "Mike Tyson" right, which negates and invalidates any claim that either…Continue

Tags: Christianity, Islam, TheraminTrees, god, love

Questions......

Started by Thomas Murray. Last reply by k.h. ky Feb 9. 6 Replies

   It has been 6 month now since I signed up for Atheist Nexus membership. The past year has been sort of a bi-polar wave of emotions for me. I hope I wasn't offensive to the folks on here and I think I have been but I don't know to who. My desire…Continue

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Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 18, 2016 at 11:09pm

Joan, I totally understand your sentiment that all people should have a job with a living wage.  However, the reality is that as technology continually replaces jobs once performed by humans (as it has been since the industrial revolution) and the population continues to grow, a sufficient number of jobs are just not available to all who need or want one.

The basic income concept brings about quite a few questions and challenges.  As we exit the industrial age and progress further into the information age, people need an income in order to survive even though their labor skills are no longer required.  At some point far fewer people will be doing manual labor jobs.  Will they alone be able to provide the funds to financially support a basic income for all others? 

As it is right now, we are using the slave labor of developing countries to manufacture our goods and luxuries.  One may argue that we should "bring those jobs back here."  Unfortunately, those jobs are gone for good.  Contrary to the mistaken belief that our jobs are being robbed from under us by immigrants, the reality is that corporations have given away our working-class jobs on a silver platter to the lowest bidder from other countries.  Those jobs are not returning.

Proponents of a basic income have argued that as people are financially provided for, they will have the time and energy to spend more time with family, to pursue travel, or to explore and partake in artistic abilities or humanitarian endeavors. 

But that all comes at a human cost.  As I mentioned above, the slave labor from other countries is providing for our first-world existence.  It's also important to note that being poor in a first-world country is VASTLY different than being poor in a third world or developing country.

There are many ethical and financial arguments to be made on both sides of the basic income issue.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 18, 2016 at 10:49pm

The basic income concept is quite interesting.  One of the political podcasts I listen to regularly, The David Pakman Show, has discussed this topic several times in the past few years.

Below are three clips from that show.

By the way, Swiss voters just voted down the basic income last month.

Comment by k.h. ky on July 18, 2016 at 2:29pm
I was reminded of that from Ian's prior post.
And the rich get richer !!
Comment by k.h. ky on July 18, 2016 at 2:26pm
You can't win in the USA. My b-i-l worked all his life. When he was laid off, at age 66, he found out he wasn't eligible for unemployment because he was drawing a small pension from a prior job. Even though he was taxed for unemployment insurance on every check he ever earned.
How screwed up is that??
Comment by Plinius on July 18, 2016 at 7:23am

You're right, Joan, there are so many aspects of a basic income for all - if we'd introduce it I guess the haves will have so many means to keep the not-haves poor that no one will be the better for it. To all your other points: YES!!

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 18, 2016 at 3:38am

Chris, I don't support a primary income because no one is owed a living; I do think everyone is owed a job with living wages. I also believe there should be a cap on wealth, although it would give migraine headaches to those who administer it. It is too easy to hide money, thus maintaining the broad gap between wealthy and poor. 

There should be universal: 

* income level for families with children and a disincentive to have more children, family planning services and abortions legal;

* education with required competencies to pass each level of education with a basic education of reading, writing and arithmetic; 

* health care for all members of the society; 

* retirement for each individual, not for a couple, that is, enough to keep each one living above the poverty level. 

With these basic needs of children and elderly, as well as education and health care secured for all individuals to their highest level of ability or interest, and with higher wages for wage-workers, there would be an incentive for people to work and there would be no need for the highly corruptible welfare system. 

My understanding is that Sweden and the Scandinavian countries have jobs with living wages for all citizens and are taxed to accomplish the cost with a progressive tax rate.

Ten Reasons to Support Basic Income

I can find reasons to not support a basic income. 

Comment by Ian Mason on July 18, 2016 at 1:32am

Chris, I really don't know about the 'citizen wage' idea. The same proposal has been aired in Denmark but vanished again.

Joan, I agree with what you say. A 'sub.proletariat' is now a reality and it's often looked down on in the media and by those in work.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 17, 2016 at 7:10pm

Ian, I hear your frustration and share it. With fewer paid jobs and more workers, it creates the ability to generate a poverty class. If the wealthy cared about the poor, they would either invest in the projects to employ workers or the government would make work projects, such as road and highway repair and construction, improve schools and hospitals to the point of everyone who is willing and able to work has a paying job. And if the wealthy and the government had any sense of responsibility, the wages would be enough to draw all workers into the middle Class.

Comment by The Flying Atheist on July 17, 2016 at 5:44pm

Thanks for all the birthday greetings!  Yes, yesterday was indeed my birthday.  It was just another normal day, but I did go out to dinner with my best friend last night to one of our favorite pizza places. We always have lots of laughs together.  Went home and was In bed by 11pm.

Comment by Loren Miller on July 17, 2016 at 10:09am

Speaking of UN-Birthdays:

 

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