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A Powerful Message from an old wise teacher :

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Thomas Murray 6 hours ago. 1 Reply

I received a gift this morning from a virtual friend, Pamela Smith:A Powerful Message from an old wise teacher :" One day an old wise teacher was walking through a village. A very angry and rude young man came up and began insulting him. "You have…Continue

Speak English? YOU FIRST! (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Thomas Murray 6 hours ago. 4 Replies

Honestly, the title to this piece is badly under-representative of the content.  To be far more accurate, what we have here is Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, going on a rant.  Before you say it ... Say WHAAAA?  Betty Bowers ranting? …Continue

Tags: America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

A Prayer for Our Nation (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner yesterday. 2 Replies

I'm going to keep this one short and sweet.  Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, has seen what is going on with the current occupant of the Oval Office, and my impression is that she is not at all happy with it.  True to her citizenship,…Continue

Tags: prayer, Donald Trump, Oval Office, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Any Babymetal Fans Here?

Started by Bruce Carroll. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 12. 5 Replies

Any Babymetal fans here besides me? I have to ask because 1) I really like Babymetal and 2) Babymetal unknowingly played a role in my journey out of religion.For those who are unfamiliar with Babymetal, here is a link to one of their most popular…Continue

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If you could rid the world of one thing, what would it be?

Started by Idaho Spud. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 11. 30 Replies

Today, I heard Seth Andrews talk about the question, "If you could rid the world of one thing, what would it be?"  My first thought was religion, but after a few seconds I decided it would be irrational or anti-scientific thinking.  That would take…Continue

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Ignorance is Bliss: Why Religious People Seem Happier Than the 'Nones'”.

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 11. 16 Replies

“Highly Religious Volunteer More, Lie Less, and Claim to Be Happier”~ Houston Chronicle; “Strongly Religious People are Happier than Non-Religious”  ~ Christian Daily."The study determined that 40 percent of highly religious adults—defined as those…Continue

Tags: Nones, happiness, non-religiosity, religiosity, bliss

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Comment by Joan Denoo on November 19, 2016 at 2:13am

Chris, I am sorry, I misspelled your name again. I try to double check to make sure I spell it correctly and missed that one. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 19, 2016 at 1:35am

Your kitchen has a fine arrangement for cooking, I can tell a chef designed the space. Your food will taste as good, and your kitchen will be as it should be and this time next year we will all be laughing about Daniel's remodel-remodel. That is after you have spent all the blood, sweat, tears during the redo. 

Jut a thought, if the specs have changed, can you get grandfathered in under the old rules?

No, I don't get on a ladder to reach the top shelf. It is reserved for things that Laura and Larry and Craig can reach. I do have a bowl my grandmother made her pie dough in, on that shelf, but I don't make pie dough anymore. 

Tomorow, I am going to make some pickled beets to take to L & L Paradise Acres for Thanksgiving. My granddaughter, Laurie, is going to cook the meal. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 18, 2016 at 10:45pm

Ruth, I asked about that.  I have about 1/2 inch that I could lower.  But, the spec states the cabinets need to be 18 inches above the counter, not the stove.  I even called the stove manufacturer.  No go.

As for getting a different stove, this was a floor model, half price. We would not have bought it at full price.  We had to deliver it ourselves.  No way can we get it back onto the pickup truck ourselves.  It's worth the modification, nothing happens without some effort or struggle.  It's worth the effort, even though this was not anticipated.

The good news, actually amazing news, is I went to the tile place today, with a sample tile.  Not only were they able to match the backsplash tile, which is a tumbled travertine, but they gave me a box of the tiles for no charge.  I was stunned.  Very nice!  Now I can make up the difference in backsplash height.

Since I am doing the work, it is not that much expense.  I have left over drywall that should be enough, and if not, it's not that costly.  The framing is cheap.  I already have primer and paint.  There will be some challenges, but it's worth it.  I spend 2 or 3 hours a day in the kitchen.  Sometimes more.  It's nice when you created the room yourself.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on November 18, 2016 at 3:26pm

Daniel, wouldn't it be easier to lower the stove? Or just bite the bullet and get a shorter one? That's way too much work an cost.

Comment by Daniel W on November 18, 2016 at 2:54pm

Joan, be careful on the stepladder!  Do you need to use those top shelves, or can they just be kept empty?

Comment by Daniel W on November 18, 2016 at 2:53pm

Joan, I might swear but not within earshot  :-)

Ning's recommendations -

1.  Have a fake ruler made with measurements that meet the specs.  Since the inspector borrowed my ruler, I can say I had the work done, give her the new ruler, and it all meets spec.  This is kind of a Chinese way to do.  Not going there.

2.  Forget the specs and the permit.  Cut a hole in the wall and run a hose to a portable propane tank, that we would just change every couple of months.  He actually wanted to do this at the outset.  Growing up in China, all of their gas cooking was done this way.  They hauled the propane tanks on their bicycles to have them filled.

3.  Call the county - someone - and complain.  That would not work, I'm not even going to try.

Joan, I'm tall enough, 5'11.  That makes me the shortest man on my father's side in at least 3 generations, maybe more.  The cabinets were to specification, it's just that the spec has changed.

Spud, the idea is that it reduces fire risk.  A whole inch, and not over the stove itself.  I think this helps the builders and contracters, because it means in theory they get to do more. 

Whatever, I'm headed to the tile place now to see if I can find matching tile for the slightly higher backsplash!  If not, then I'll add some kind of fancy tile edging trim.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 18, 2016 at 2:10pm

Daniel, what a horrid bit of news. You take the chore very calmly, no help to yell, swear, beat your head against the wall. It just doesn't help get the job done. I am glad to read you take it in stride as another adventure in life. 

Please don't let that stop you from taking all those actions as you sweat over the tasks. We can hear you if you need to vent. 

I don't know, but I assume you are not a tall man and those cabinets being lower was a bit of a help. That would be true for me. I can't read the third shelf of my cupboards and have to use a step ladder. 

Whatever you do, I know it will look fine!

Your feral cats do a good job for you! And your chickens take care of your kitchen food scraps. You have 24 hour a day help that is silent, mostly, and unpaid. That is the way to go!

 

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 18, 2016 at 12:00pm

Daniel, I would be very bummed.  I never could understand laws that seem to be of no value. 

But I'm glad some positives will come from it.

Comment by Daniel W on November 18, 2016 at 10:07am

Next kitchen project in what feels like a never-ending kitchen upgrade of my own doing.  We had to have  a propane gas line installed for the nice new gas stove.  That meant county inspector came - always an unwelcome, bad surprise.  This time she said the new cabinets are 1" too close to the counter top.  ONE inch.  The gas stove spec states cabinets need to be 18" above the counter, ours are 17".  These are not above the stove, they are adjacent, but that is not acceptible. I have no idea why that matters but she wont sign off to let us get propane gas unless I fix it.  So.. I have to remove all of the the cabinets on that side of the kitchen, take down the very heavy exhaust hood.  Then tear drywall from soffits, remove the insulation, shorten the soffit framing by 1 1/2", maybe 2", to be safe.  Un-wire the undercabinet lights & remove them.  Backsplash then needs to be higher, so pull off the top row, which is shortened, replace with an unshortened row - find matching stone tile somewhere.  Then re-install everything that I uninstall.  Very bummed two days ago, but now it's just another adventure.  In the end, the appearance should be no different from now, just subtle increase in height of the cabinets over the counter.  Maybe the countertops will be slightly brighter with 2" of more light, & I will quit hitting my bald head on the range hood which will be 2 inches higher. 

I bought a couple of tools to make it go better, a hacksaw to cut nails from behind the drywall, and a flat sided chisel to attempt removing backsplash stone without damaging drywall, I hope.  Maybe 2 weeks?  4 weeks?  Well see! 

There is a certain satisfaction that comes from a do-it-yourself life. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 18, 2016 at 9:36am

Joan the beaver pond is beautiful!

Randy, I get opossoms fairly often.  During the late summer they hang out in the grape arbor where they compete with birds for grapes.  My woodshed is home to a family of feral cats with kittens, very cute.  They must be eating local moles and voles and rabbits, keeping the small rodent populations down.

 

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